What is your interpretation of 1Thes4:17?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by stanleyg, Jul 24, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. stanleyg

    stanleyg
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2006
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    0
    What is your interpretation of:

    1Thes4 [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted the meaning of (Congress shall not make laws that respect the establishment of religion) as "Separation of Church and State". Whereas, the latter phrase doesn't exist in the U.S. Constitution.

    If Supreme Court Justices can't interpret man's laws, can we not as stewards of Christ interpret God's word?
     
  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K)
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Likes Received:
    78
    This topic is not a dicussion of Bible versions or translations. It is a theological debate topic.
     
  3. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    When quoting scripture please cite the Version, Book,
    Chapter, and verse. I've been called of God to check out
    in my own book (or electronically) every scripture I
    read (Thanks, folks of Berea, Greece). Thank you for
    adheering to this request.

    As quoted above:
    1Thes4 [17] Then we which are alive and remain
    shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
    to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV1769 Edition, e-sword.com version)
    Then we which are alive and remain
    shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
    to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV1769 Edition, Crosswalk.com version)
    Then we which are alive and remain
    shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
    to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    See why it is important to cite the exact source, so we busy folks
    don't have to spend all our time thumbing through the Bible?

    BTW, the original KJV had the common after clouds:

    1Th 4:17 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
    shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds,
    to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

    The Latin Vulgate
    1 Thessalonians 4:17 (
    deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur
    simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus
    obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

    Where Latin 'simul' means English 'together' and
    Latin 'rapiemur' is a form of Latin 'raptos' from which we
    get our English word 'rapture'.

    So the CAUGHT UP TOGETHER is today called the RAPTURE.

    I beleive the CAUGHT UP TOGETHER comes before
    the Tribualtion Period of 7-years. I believe that the
    CAUGHT UP TOGETHER is phase one of the Second
    Coming of Jesus (phase 2 is when Jesus comes and kicks
    some Antichrist booty).
    I believe a further description of the CAUGHT UP TOGETHER
    can be found in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57

    1 Corinthians 15:51-57 (KJV1611 Edition):

    1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mysterie: we shall not all sleepe,
    but wee shall all be changed,
    1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinckling of an eye,
    at the last trumpe, (for the trumpet shall sound,
    and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.)
    1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
    and this mortall must put on immortalitie.
    1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall haue put on incorruption,
    & this mortall shall haue put on immortality,
    then shall be brought to passe the saying that is written,
    Death is swallowed vp in victorie.
    1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O graue, where is thy victorie?
    1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sinne, and the strength of sinne is the law.
    1Co 15:57 But thankes bee to God, which giueth vs the victorie,
    through our Lord Iesus Christ.
     
    #3 Ed Edwards, Jul 24, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 24, 2006
  4. Bluefalcon

    Bluefalcon
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    915
    Likes Received:
    4
    Since the Lord does not touchdown here, as he most definitely does in other second coming verses, it most likely refers to the Lord's coming to get his saints before the 7-year great and terrible tribulation against those who dwell upon the earth. The great and terrible day of the Lord is initiated here and will be consumated when he anihilates the world's evil armies rising up against Jerusalem at the end of the 7-years. Then, 1000 years later, he will destroy again those as numerous as the sand on the seashore who refuse to bow the knee, and then the glorious new heaven and new earth and the new Jerusalem will descend from God's place and we will dwell with him forevermore!
     
  5. Bro. Talmadge

    Bro. Talmadge
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    A big amen to the definition from Bluefalcon. May that Day please get here soon, for Your servant is patiently waiting.
     
  6. EdSutton

    EdSutton
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know about all the many versions or myriad interpretations of this verse, so that being said,

    "I'm outta' here!"

    :thumbs:

    Ed
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Loading...