What matters is keeping the Commandments of God

You move from one eisegetial mistake to another as one error leads to another error. First, Galatians 3:1-12 has nothing to do with the lost and the law. The context is speaking about the relationship of those who BEGIN salvation as justified by faith but then attemp to FINISH salvation by justification by works of the law. Paul's conclusion is that the Law cannot justify anyone saved or lost "no man" as "THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH" and justification is by faith.


Gal. 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Gal. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith:

Again, your interpetation is a PERVERSION of John 5:24 and what the text technically says. There is no present tense action "pass out of death" but a completed action "PASSED FROM" that stands completed as a present result. Why not be honest enough to translate the Perfect tense COMPLETED ACTION rather than pervert it into a INCOMPLETED ACTION??????? What about intellectual honesy????? You have not made any point. You have simply demonstrated your unwillingness to be honest with the texts you are using. Galatians 3 is talking about CHRISTIANS who begin one way (justified by faith" and try to continue another way "justification by works of the law" when in fact you cannot mix them as "THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH." Furthermore, there is no need to mix them because the believer has already and completely passed from death to life and that will not change because they "SHALL NOT COME" into condemnation.

What you call the elementary principle is something you have yet to learn - "REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS." This is not just referring to initial justification of the believer this talking about the whole principle of justification by works (Rom. 3:27-28) as it has no place in Biblical salvation at all - nada, Zip! We are not justified by Lawkeeping and we are not sanctified by Law keeping we are "dead" to the law in regard to both justification and sanctification. We are justified by faith and we are sanctified by faith by a principle above law keeping.

Again, you have not even acheived the first principle of "Repentance from dead works." Again, you ignore the relationship of "passed from death unto life" with "SHALL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION." Instead, you are jerking one phrase of John 5:24 out of context forcing it into a context of your choosing and then twisting the scripture to satisfy your "belly" (desires). Romans 2;6 IS THE VERY CONDEMNATION THAT JOHN 5:24 SAYS THE ONE PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE SHALL NOT COME INTO. The Roman 2:6 context has to do with those who are not believers in Christ BECAUSE they believe they can be justified before God due to their own works.

Revelation 14:6-7 has to do with the only gospel there is, as the eternal gospel is the good news of "the blood of the everlasting covenant"! Either you and your own works stand before the judgement of God or Christ stands in his own works before God in your behalf! Either you are the object of God's wrath or Christ was the object in your behalf. Those in n Revelation 14 choose the latter and the consequence is Revelation 14:8-10.

Salvation does not begin one way and continue another way but that is exactly what you are teaching and this exactly what your argument about circuling is all about. You do not begin by justification through faith and continue by Law keeping = that is "another" gospel and only those "accursed" teach it (Gal. 1:8-9).

 

Daniel 7 is filled with SUMMARIES and it is no place to define doctrine just like Revelation is no place to define doctrine. What you are doing is what every cult does - they go to books like Revelation where the author tells you up front it is conveyed in symbols "signified" (Rev. 1:1) or books about eschatology that are full of SYMBOLs and establish their doctrines. That is backwards and unscholarly. You established doctrine on plain precepts and unambiguous language and then use parables, symbols, spiritualizations, etc. to support it.

 

You have shown no such thing. All you have shown is complete ignorance of Biblical typology. Jesus as the High Priest is SEATED in heaven demonstrating there is no continuing work in heaven as High Preist. What is in heaven is the FINISHED WORK OF ATONEMENT in His own Person as the work has been accomplished on the cross, demonstrated as completed by the resurrection and then presented in heaven as completed and that is why he is SEATED. The application of it ON EARTH is what is not completed. As the elect are physically born in time and space the finished work is then applied (Gal. 1:15-16).

 

Read the rest of the post! You are approaching scripture like any normal cultist who cannot deal with unambigious plain precepts but must go to highly symbolic prophetic texts to establish their doctrine. This is the Jehovah's Witness, World Wide Church of God, Mormon type of eisgetical norm - welcome to their club.

 

You simply don't get it! You don't build your basic and essential doctrine of salvation on escahatalogical interpretations that depend upon interpretation of other scriptures that are highly symbolic. That is a practice that characterizes cults like SDA, LDS and JW's. You build it upon clear unambiguous precepts taught in contexts that are written to expound essential Christian doctrine. Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah and Revelation are the last places to go to find foundations for basic doctrines. You go to those books for support of clear unambiguous precepts.

 

Either you are incapable of reading English or you simply ignored the bulk of my post. You have not even learned the first principle "repentance from dead works" in regard to either the lost man or the saved man. So there is no circling at all. "Repentance from dead works" is the turning away from works altogether for the justification of the lost or the sanctification of the saved as neither are justified or sanctified by works.

You ignore the fact that Galatians 3 is talking to CHRISTIANS who already have been justified by faith but want to CONTINUE being justified by works just like you are teaching. He is not talking about THE LOST but he is addressing and talking about those who have already been Justified by faith but now want to finish it by works.

Sanctification by the Spirit of God is by faith not by works and Paul makes this clear by denying that "THE LAW" is of faith!!!!! However, you are teaching that THE LAW IS OF FAITH as the law is accomplished through us by the help of the Holy Spirit so that we obey the law. Paul is repudiating "THE LAW" as applicable to "FAITH" period!

There is a "law" by which we are justified and by which we are sanctified but it does not include or involve THE LAW given to Moses on stone or on skins or paper. It is the "law" of faith (Rom. 3:27-28) which has for its sole object the FINISHED WORKS of Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:24-26) which positionally justifies us before God completely and fully and which is His finished righteousness imparted into our experience by faith through the power of the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God works in us "both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Philip. 2:13). This is how the law is fulfilled in us (Rom. 8:4) bythe Spirit of God. It is not by our obedience to the Ten commandmants or any other Law but by Christ obedience worked in and through us through faith by the power of the indwelling Spirit of God.

You need to learn the first principle "repentance from dead works" as Romans 2:6 is smack in the context of LOST SELF-RIGHTEOUS humans who beleive they can pass the judgement BY THEIR OWN WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS without faith in Christ or anyone else.

There are no saved mentioned in either text just your pure but false imagination gone wild.

Your analogy is wrong. The bad tree made good refers to the work of regeneration not justification. That is why you are confused because you confuse justification with regeneration. Regeneration has to do with your PERSON but justification has to do with your LEGAL RIGHTS or POSITION in the COURT of God and always is FORENSIC when used in connection with the LAW of God. It is the legal declaration of not guilty before God due to Christ's righteousness not yours.

Justification does not change the nature or character of the "ungodly" but changes his legal position before God from "guilty" to "not guilty" due to IMPUTED not IMPARTED righteousness. According to his PERSON he is still "ungodly" by definition of James 2:10 but according to his POSITION he is "godly" by definition of Romans 4:5-6 "without works" by IMPUTED righteousness. He is justified "BY FAITH' without works.

Now, let us proceed to Sanctification. How is a child of God sanctified? Is he sanctified by LAW KEEPING? No! He was not justified by law keeping and he is not sanctified by law keeping. He is sanctified the very same way he was justified - or as Paul summarizes it "AS you RECEIVED the Lord Jesus Christ SO walk ye in him."

Bob, How do you receive Jesus Christ? By lawkeeping plus faith? No, because "THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH" (Gal. 3:12). How then are you sanctified or "WALK YE"? Just as you received - by faith! By lawkeeping? No, because "THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH." You walk as you received "BY FAITH WITHOUT WORKS". How does that work? You are sanctified just like you were justified by faith. Faith lays hold of the promise of God in Christ and depends upon His power to accomplish His promise (Rom. 4:20) and that is how the Spirit of God "works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." The Spirit of God empowers the inward man who is created in true righteousness and holiness and to be expressed in your words and actions. This is walking in the Spirit. This is putting on the new man. This is how the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in your life. It is not law keeping but yeilding to the Spirit by faith in Him to do His work through you as a vessel in the hands of the potter. It is not a matter of doing it is a matter of yielding unto Him to do what He has promised to do through you.

 

Just because two different things happen together does not mean they are one and the same things. Justification is not regeneration and your analogy refers to regeneration and spiritual fruit not justificaiton and legal position. Furthermore, regeneration logically (not chronologically) precedes justification (1 John 5:1).

Yeah, well tell that to Paul:


Rom. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Bob, whose faith is it that is counted for righteousness? The antecedent for the pronoun "his" is "the ungodly." Bob the the words "beleiveth" and "justifieth" both modify "him that worketh not."

James defines what righteousness is by definition of the Law, it is keeping every point of the law without failure in one point. This is God's standard of His own righteousness and those who fail in one point "come short of the glory of God." Those who come short of this standard. That is the condition of the "ungodly" in Romans 4:5 who is justified "without works" and righteousness is IMPUTED rather than imparted.

Bob, the only ones saved in Romans 11 are the "remnant" (Rom. 11:1-10). The remnant are not the ones severed as they are not the ones who rejected Jesus Christ. It is UNBELIEVING Israel that is severed and cut off and it will be UNBELIEVING Gentiles that will be severed and cut of (Rom. 11:25) after the fullness of the Gentile remnant be come in.

Unbelieving Israel as a nation are grafted in "again" and when that happens "all Israel" will be saved (Rom. 11:25-28), that is the Israel that had been "severed" previously or the NATION of Israel or the people who are called "Jacob" and gentiles are NEVER called "Jacob" (Rom. 11:27).

If ignorance is bliss you are most blest.

 

Romans 2:6-15 is Paul's response to the self-righteous claims of the hypocritical lost in Romans 2:1-5 that they will escpae the judgement of God based on their own perceived righteousness (v. 3). Paul simply lays down the just principles for God's judgement without affirming or denying that ANY SPECIFIC PERSONS will be justfiied or condemned. He then proceeds directly to the next bunch of self-righteous hypocrits who believe that by keeping the TEN COMMANDMENTS (Rom. 2:21-22) they will be justified at the judgement (Rom. 2:17-25).

Paul simply says what Christ said to the Lawyer and Rich young ruler who came to him on the BASIS OF GOOD WORKS seeking eternal life and Jesus said here is the law do it and you will have eternal life but Jesus also says the Jews do not keep the law (Jn 7:19) just as Paul concludes about both gentiles and Jews (Rom. 3:9-20).

However, your position demands that both Jews and Gentiles (Rom. 2:11-15) can keep the law of God in direct contradiction to both Christ and Paul as that is the very basis for you saying and interpreting those in Romans 2:11-15 and Romans 2:25-29 as righteous.

Those in Matthew 7 are "bad" trees with "bad" fruits (Mt. 7:15-23) not because their "house" looks bad but because it is built on the wrong "foundation" - the sand which is a MIXTURE of grace and works. Rev. 14:6-7 has nothing to do with saved people but with God's warning to those who take the mark of the beast (vv. 8-11).

 

You admit that NO LOST person can be justified by the Law and that means no lost man can KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS but you are so blind that you fail to see that Romans 2:3 and Romans 2:17-25 are clear assertions by Paul that the lost beleive they can be justified by their own works and yet you interpret Romans 2 in such a way that promotes such an assertion without any denial of those assertions!!!!!!!!

You do so, because you fail to understand that Paul is replying to those assertions and indeed those assertions are the primary subject he is specifically dealing with.

How would you deal with such false assertions? How would you deal with people who believe they can pass God's judgement based upon their own perceived righteousness (Rom. 2:1-5) OR their belief they can keep the Law of God (Rom. 2:17-25)???? Your interpretation of Romans 2 has NO RESPONSE to these assertions!!!

Paul responds to such assertions in a very logically manner in Romans 2:6-16 and 2:26-29.

1. Here is God's just principles that will determine if your assertions are correct and here are the just consquences if your assertions are correct or incorrect - vv. 6-16

2. Here is God's response to Jews who believe that circumcision and other outward acts of obedience makes you better than Gentiles - vv. 26-29.

YOUR INTERPRETATION LEAVES THEIR ASSERTIONS UNANSWERED whereas my interpretation answers them in harmony with the rest of God's word and in harmony with Paul's own testimony of what he was attempting to prove from Romans 1:18 to Romans 3:8, which is the testimony found in Romans 3:9-20!!!