In another thread Rippon made the following statement, "Can you ever get specific and tell us what you think is so evil about our understanding of the Bible? Because that's what it's about." By our statement he meant Calvinists. In this question I am not accusing anyone of evil. What I am doing is trying to understand ....... OK? Thread rules: Please, do not quote favorite verses. I can read the Bible also. Please, do not quote Calvin or other authorities. I can read Calvin and others. Please, give me you reply in a rational, calm way. Please, no one line insults toward others. Now to the questions. 1. If God preordained everything that happens where does Satan come in? 2. Why was he created? 3. If all was preordained how then Satan is guilty of evil as he only does what God preordained? 4. Does Satan really do anything? 5. If God preordained evil does that not make God evil also? I am sure that more questions will come up. Thanks for calm, rational replies.