"What the Arminian wants to do"

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    Again, this doctrine gives the death blow to all self-sufficiency. What the Arminian wants to do is to arouse man's activity; what we want to do is kill it once and for all, to show him that he is lost and ruined, and his activities are not now at all equal to the work of conversion; that he must look upward. They seek to make the man stand up; we seek to bring him down, and make him feel that there he lies in the hand of God, and that his business is to submit himself to God, and cry aloud, "Lord, save, or I perish." We hold that the man is never so near grace as when he begins to feel that he can do nothing at all. When he says, "I can pray, I can believe, I can do this, and I can do the other," marks of self-sufficiency and arrogance are on his brow. But when he comes to his knees and cries;

    "Oh, for this no strength I find, my strength is at thy feet to lie,"

    then we think that God has blessed him, and that the work of grace is in his soul. O sinner! Think not that thy own unaided arm can get the victory. Cry unto God, and beg him to take your soul in hand, for you cannot be saved unless he doeth it for you. Bless him for the promise that says, "Him that cometh unto me, I will not cast out." Oh! Cry to him, "Lord, draw me by thy grace, that I may run after thee; work all my works in me, and bring me to thyself and save me!" Not to your self do we bid thee look, nor to your prayers, nor to your faith, but to Christ and to his cross, and to that God who is "able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by him."

    C.H. Spurgeon, New Park Street Pulpit, Vol 6, p.257.
     
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    ILUVLIGHT said: You can't honestly Love God with out your own willful intention to do so.

    TomMann says: I am only able to love God because he first loved me, because he set his affection on me. I am one of those he took captive at his pleasure and I was brought to the knowledge of a God I wasn't even looking for. He choose to do a work on and in me without my permission....... He's pretty good at whatever he does.....
     
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    So true!! He takes us captive and we live for Him thereafter!!
    John Piper says, God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him!
    Blessings! It is all about Him!
     
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    A Th.D. who spent a year at a Reformed Seminary should know better than this. I, a Calvinist, believe and trust in the Lord. I, a Calvinist, responded to His call. Really, Ray, you do make me smile.

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    Hey! I believed and responded too! That's awesome! [​IMG]
     
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    Whatever,

    At the top of the page you said this. 'Again, this doctrine gives the death blow to all self-sufficiency. What the Arminian wants to do is to arouse man's activity; what we want to do is kill it once and for all.'

    Now you say the opposite when you said, 'I, a Calvinist, believe and trust in the Lord. I, a Calvinist, responded to His call. . . '

    Which of your two statements is your true belief? In the first paragraph you are a strong Calvinist. In paragraph two you stand erect as a Biblical Arminian.
     
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    Ray,

    Come on. You already know this. The Arminian says that man can see and desire the kingdom of God and then be born again. The Bible says that unless a man is born again he cannot even see the kingdom of God. But after a man has been born again, he sees and believes and trusts, in response to the Lord's call. You should have stayed in the Reformed seminary.
     
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    What utter blasphemy! God never instructed anyone to "beg" for mercy. To the contrary, God graciously invites all men everywhere to partake of the redemption given in Christ Jesus the Lord!

    Away with Spurgeon! Away with Calvin! Let me have blessed Jesus who bids the weary,

    "Come unto me."

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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    Whatever,

    As Mark Osgatharp has suggested, Calvinism should not tell people to 'beg for mercy' when salvtion is all of the Lord, as you believe. After all if He does it all you can leave His sovereignty to make the commitment for you. The big problem is if you make no approach to God through faith in Jesus, you will be forever excluded from Heaven, but that according to you gentlemen was His Divine will anyway.
     
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    Let's hear what that famous blasphemer David, a man after God's own heart, has to say in Psalm 142:
    I do love the Psalms.

    Here's another good one from Zechariah 12:10.
    I guess God is a blasphemer too, or maybe He just didn't realize that pleas for mercy would be unnecessary under grace.

    Hey, wait a minute. Where did God say that those pleas for mercy originate? Hmmm. Ideas like that can keep you up at night.
     

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