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What was he thinking?!?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Filmproducer, Apr 9, 2007.

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  1. AF Guy N Paradise

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    Amen! I don't agree with what he stated and I don't care for him or his show. However, the actual songs and lyrics and shows the majority of players listen to or watch daily have much worse lyrics and words and nothing is done. I just don't get it.
     
  2. Scarlett O.

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    Hello, all.....I'm just passing through today. I hope everyone had a good Easter.

    I'd like to respond to a couple of things.

    My friends, family, and acquaintances here in the South all know that "nappy" refers to the natural "kinkiness" of an African American person's hair when ungroomed.

    More specifically, the word, when used as a racial slur is a reference to the natural and sometimes ungroomed kinkiness of primitive cultures of people in third world countries around the world.

    When someone calls a black person "nappy-headed", it is meant to cruelly imply that he or she is primitive not only in their appearance, but also in his or her intellect, his or her worth as human beings, and his or her importance to society.

    It's a racial slur. It's stupid. And it's stupid whether coming from the mouth of Don Imus or coming from the mouth of Snoop Doggy Dog.

    Martin, I watched the press conference and did not come away with any of what you perceived.

    I thought the their coach did a fine job of staying away from blasting Don Imus and focusing on praising her girls for their spirit on the court, their grades, their character, and their value to the school and to their families.

    The two girls who briefly spoke were articulate, poised, and did not whine or boo-hoo. They simply portrayed the complete opposite of "nappy-headed whores". That's all they wanted to do.

    They didn't try to slaughter Don Imus, but instead portrayed the truth about themselves.

    I thought they did a good job.
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    My personal opinion is that until the black community stands up and LOUDLY insists that black comedians, actors, sports figures, and rap artists stop using racial slurs againsts their own people and cease the endless string of profane and degrading words for black women, then the black community will forever have to suffer with the occassional white person who tries to use those same words and get away with it.

    White people like Don Imus and Micheal Richards are simply going to treat the black community in the same way that black entertainment industry treats its own people.
     
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  3. Filmproducer

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    Then you seriously do not know much about "that" culture. Not to be mean, but why on earth would you feel that black women and hos are the same thing? I am hoping that I just misunderstood your post, and if I did, I apologize in advance.

    FTR, there have been countless forums, talk shows, and seminars, where many people (black and white) have stepped up and said that this "trend" in rap and hip hip to objectify women and commit senseless violence needs to stop. Everything from books to television shows have come out on the subject.
     
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  4. AF Guy N Paradise

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    That may be so but you only see people like Sharpton and Jackson go bonkers after the white guy that has a position with a microphone, column, etc...
     
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    Pagones sued and won a $65,000 judgment for defamation. In 1988, a grand jury concluded Brawley "was not the victim of forcible sexual assault" and the whole thing was a hoax. In 2002, when Sharpton was asked if he'd apologize to Pagones, Sharpton replied: "Apologize for what? For believing a young lady?"
    In 1991, a 7-year-old black child was killed in a Crown Heights (Brooklyn) traffic accident when a car driven by a Hasidic Jew went out of control. Sharpton showed up to lead protests, calling Jews "diamond merchants" and saying, "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house." A young Talmudic scholar would later be surrounded by a mob and stabbed to death. Sharpton paid no lasting price, but then liberal Democrats rarely do.

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=261097516430190


    Just posting this to show my disgust in Al Sharpton. This incident has nothing to do with him, and America can probably heal from this faster without him salting the wounds.
     
  6. Filmproducer

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    Carpo's post had nothing to with Sharpton, so this is irrelevant. I'm tired of it all the way around. Disrespect is disrespect irregardless of who it comes from. People should know better by now, but we have let people, and that's all people, get away with it for far to long. This has nothing to do with Sharpton or Jackson, imo. Yeah they jumped on the aftermath bandwagon, but that still did not change the fact that Imus was grossly offensive in the first place. It irks me to no end when people skirt the issue because Jackson and Sharpton get involved. The media only plasters them front and center because they know it causes controversy and controversy means ratings.

    BTW, AF Guy, how do you know what music and shows these players listen to and watch daily? (post # 21) Such comments seem to be based on some preconceived idea. Fact of the matter is the majority of black women do not accept being called hos, regardless of who is calling them that. The hip hop culture and the rap culture are not the end all be all of the overall black culture. They are just what is shown on TV the majority of the time. Would you claim you know what the players of any other team watch or listen to daily? I would hope not.
     
  7. AF Guy N Paradise

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    The ratings, demographics prove this for the most part. I don't have time to get too thorough here but the shows, music producers, etc know their primary audience and what they like and they aim for them. I have read and read poll after poll, bio after bio, and yes most of these players like this type of music, show, etc...

    BTW, there use to be a wrestling character that was a pimp and he would drag around these different hos (white and black women) every week and the crowd cheered louder than any other thing going on that night. I never heard of one complaint by any group over this either.

    Hey Film, on a lighter note I think Billy G will take us back to elite status very soon, you?
     
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    Imus was right though...The Tennessee girls are better looking...
     
  9. Filmproducer

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    There have been MANY, MANY people who have come out AGAINST the whole pimp and ho. The most recent was a very lengthy discussion from a variety of different black panelists at Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union 2007 in January. Rapper Chuck D is very vocal about this very thing. A number of other influential black entertainers have come out against this redefinition of what it means to be black. (Bill Cosby, Spike Lee, Tom Joyner, Tim Reid to name a few)

    A great article to read can be found at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...e/archive/1998/02/08/PK54486.DTL&type=special

    This last paragraph pretty much sums it up for me. Personal experience has shown me over and over and over that the rap/hip hop culture does not give an accurate representation of the majority of the black community.

    As for the Cats.... I am sooooo looking forward to the coming BBall season. I'm looking forward to seeing what Billy G can do. His recruiting so far seems pretty good as well. :thumbs:
     
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    I wish every radio and TV talk show host would have a divine eternal case of laringitis. Maybe Jerry Falwell will catch it.
     
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    Sharpton on the Today show said, "It's different" when black performers use "ho" than when Imus did.

    Meredith Viera(sp?) grilled him pretty hard on that one...but he kept falling back on that pitiful double standard.

    In my area, rapper Ludacris is coming to town soon. He'll bring with him a lot of fighting, drug use, and hatred toward the police. When he was at a local mall a few years back, a near-riot broke out.

    Imus is fired for calling someone a "ho." Ludacris will receive big money from my city for saying the same thing, and it's considered "entertainment."


    Yes, there's a double standard...and no, it's not sufficiently addressed.

    Point being? People need to stand up and proclaim loudly,

    "Racism is wrong. It's wrong if your black, white, asian, hispanic, or a mix of the above."
     
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    These "so-called" activists (Sharpton, etc) are nothing but two-faced hypocrites.
     
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    This is how Sharpton makes his living. Imus just got him back in front of the TV cameras once again.
    Why is it ok for liberals to call our President "retarded" and "the smirking chimp" and to say blasphemous things about our Savior and His followers, for Jesse Jackson to call Jews "hymies" and to refer New York as "hymietown". Jews didnt go around trying to get Jackson fired. Why? Because it wasnt true.
    The last time I looked at the Bill of Rights the first amendment was still there. Its about time we grow some thicker skin and quit getting offended everytime someone makes a derogatory remark about us that we dont like.
    The only time I get offended at a derogatory remark made about me is if its true. Then I know I must do something to change my behavior. If it is not true let it run off like water off a duck's back. I have a very good friend who is Italian. Some of the best Italian jokes I have ever heard came from him. Why? Because he is confident in his race. He knows the many contributions his ancestors have made to this world in art, music, scientific discoveries. The same with the Polish, Irish, Germans, Chinese. But blacks seem to get special consideration. IF THE THING SAID ISNT TRUE THEN IGNORE IT.
     
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    Seems as if that's true only of the white male.
     
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    Couple of very good columns by KANSAS CITY STAR black sportswriter, Jason Whitlock:

    http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
    "...Imus isn’t the real bad guy
    Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
    By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

    Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

    You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

    You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

    Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

    The bigots win again....."

    also:


    http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/ti...11111509990001
    "...I’m calling for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the president and vice president of Black America, to step down.

    Their leadership is stale. Their ideas are outdated. And they don’t give a damn about us.

    We need to take a cue from White America and re-elect our leadership every four years. White folks realize that power corrupts. That’s why they placed term limits on the presidency. They know if you leave a man in power too long he quits looking out for the interest of his constituency and starts looking out for his own best interest.

    We’ve turned Jesse and Al into Supreme Court justices. They get to speak for us for a lifetime.

    Why?

    If judged by the results they’ve produced the last 20 years, you’d have to regard their administration as a total failure. Seriously, compared to Martin and Malcolm and the freedoms and progress their leadership produced, Jesse and Al are an embarrassment.

    Their job the last two decades was to show black people how to take advantage of the opportunities Martin and Malcolm won.

    Have we at the level we should have? No.

    Rather than inspire us to seize hard-earned opportunities, Jesse and Al have specialized in blackmailing white folks for profit and attention. They were at it again last week, helping to turn radio shock jock Don Imus’ stupidity into a world-wide crisis that reached its crescendo Tuesday afternoon when Rutgers women’s basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer led a massive pity party/recruiting rally......"
     
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    Jason Whitlock rocks!!!!!!
     
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    When I lived near KC I used to listen to Whitlock on the radio and read his columns. He is a very intelligent and articulate guy. He is dead on in his columns regarding Imus.
     
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    Whitlock has called Babe Ruth "segregation's best player", and has stuck up for Barry Bonds, and I disagree with his stances on both of those issues, but here, he's right on.
     
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    Carpo is right, proven by the fact that in the rap culture the men call themselfs pimps.

    Last night I was fliping the chanels on the toob and ran by a late night show, Carson Daily. He had a rap group preforming and I heard the N word several times along with ho and pimp.

    Why does that get a pass.

    BTW Imus lost his show permenantly today. Radio and TV is better for it. There should just be consistency. If a white person can not say something without being kicked off the air, then a black person should not be able to say the samething without being kicked off the air.
     
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