What We Love to "Hear"

You are correct Amy, the scriptures repeatedly show the blind, lame, lepers, and others coming to Jesus. In fact, in several instances Jesus almost seemed to walk by and ignore the sick until they begged him to heal them.
Matt 9:27-31 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men FOLLOWED HIM, CRYING, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the house, THE BLIND MEN CAME TO HIM: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. THEN touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. AND THEIR EYES WERE OPENED; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it. But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.

Did Jesus come to them? No, he ignored them at first. Note that they followed him which is an incredible thing. How did they do this? I don't know, perhaps they found others to assist them. But they had faith, they knew Jesus would help if they persisted.
Did Jesus open their eyes before or after they believed? AFTER!
Faith comes by hearing, they had heard of Jesus, and now they too spread his fame so others could hear, believe, and then come to Jesus.

Get your theology from the scriptures, not by the teachings of men.

 

I'm not worried. I know the horse died of it's own free will.

 

Poor horse.

 

Love it Amy.

 

Distorting someone's theological position and then tearing it down seems to be typical of the debates in this corner of the forum, especially when it comes to reformed theology. Both sides are guilty of it.

 

Put him on ignore like I did, it will keep you from putting up with his trollish banter. I've only had to put 2 people on ignore 6 years, and both made it a habit or trying to get you to sin.

Ironic, though, that Adam and Eve were not "deaf" when they were spiritually dead and God called them. Same with those who were with Saul when Christ knocked him from his horse. Those with him heard Christ.

 

Not true. We've been arguing against it for years and there is nothing new under the sun. Same argument, same scripture presented, and this topic has been argued more times on the BB than the stars in the sky.

It's not that we can't argue it, it's that after a point, it's just useless..... like a dead horse.

 

I presented a passage of scripture, but you Cals ignored it. The OP argued that physical healings represented regeneration in the Calvinist view, the passage I showed completely refutes it. The blind men's eyes were not opened until after they had believed. It also showed man's participation, Jesus seemed to ignore these men until they persisted, following him and begging him to heal them.

We show you evidence all the time that refutes your views, but you simply ignore anything that does not agree with your doctrine.

 

They were not physically deaf. God spoke in an audible voice. The fall does not affect one's ability to pick up sound waves.

 

Yeah, but Calvinists were predestined to do it, so they can't help it. Arminians did it on their own free will, so they are at fault. :laugh:

 

We need to get back to our debate. The thread that we were debating so nicely on was closed. You game?

 

Webdog and I have been on good terms recently and I hate to mess that up but what he fails to recognize is that he is a lightening rod for controversy himself.

Anyone who doesn't bend over for smart remarks is going to fall out with webdog until he learns to be more respectful in his posts.

He has been respectful to me the last couple of weeks and it has been a relief. I hope that he will learn to do this in all of his conversations.

I think that you have made some arguments that he cannot answer and must resort to insults.

I wish we would all learn to stick to the subject matter rather than get frustrated when someone points out our error and resort to personal insults and smart alek remarks.

We could make progress if people like webdog would learn to be more respectful in the way he posts.

That includes me- I am trying.

But Webdog is constantly slamming you rather than addressing your arguments. I don't think he understands that your aggressiveness toward him is riled BY him.

I hope this will cease.

 

So much for being on good terms, huh?

Fact: If you are respectful to me and discuss topics, I do the same. When you start throwing around insults and attacks, send threatening PM's, and are down right un-christlike, I have no problem being blunt and throwing it right back in your face. I thought you approved of this approach? If you (and others) demand respect, you better give it out as well.

The fact you and I have been on good terms the past few weeks is due to the fact you have been civil. Do you see a pattern? Discuss things respectfully, I will do the same. Resort to insults and attacks, and I have no problem in bringing them to light. P4T is what is referred to in cyber world as an internet troll. All one has to do is go back and see his posting history to confirm this. I have him on ignore due to the fact he has caused me to sin by his PM's, and do not want that to be the case going forward.

Oh...and there hasn't been one topic of his (and yours) I "haven't been able to answer". You guys just don't like the answers given.

 

Wait...I thought "dead is dead"...and what purpose is there in hardening a dead heart, or blinding a corpse?

 

I don't think that is necessary. But the fact that you do is proof of what I am trying to say to you here.

You are a rooster. And you are fine around hens. But as soon as another rooster enters the roost- it is on.

I am a rooster and so is p4t. So we three have trouble getting along.

I like roosters. I think men ought to be roosters to some degree. But this trouble is over the top.

This needs to stop.

It is my thinking that this is not 100% accurate. I think you need to consider the possibility that you can be a terrible smart alek FIRST and THEN folks get rough with you.

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I agree with giving respect before expecting it. But I have in the past posted 30 pretty cutting insults you made in a couple week span.

You can be VERY insulting with those who are doing nothing but disagreeing with you.

I can too. But you have not seen this in yourself yet, apparently.

I recommend starting over, as I hope you and I have.

 

Physical death did not happen immediately. Spiritual death did.

He could hear the sound waves that God's audible voice made with his yet alive physical ears.