What would be the best way to defeat your enemy?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by Harold Garvey, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. Harold Garvey

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    This is relevent to BVT discussions and not anywhere else.

    Some things military strategist will agree to:
    1. Know your enemy
    2. Learn his weaknesses
    3. Figure out where he's planning to attack
    4. Run flanks and diversions
    5. Figure a way to disperse his resources
    6. Disrupt his communications
    7. Cut off his food supply or contaminate it as to cause sickness.




    And some concerted efforts used to "Get the job done":

    Objective (Direct every military operation towards a clearly defined, decisive, and attainable objective)
    Offensive (Seize, retain, and exploit the initiative)
    Mass (Concentrate combat power at the decisive place and time)
    Economy of Force (Allocate minimum essential combat power to secondary efforts)
    Maneuver (Place the enemy in a disadvantageous position through the flexible application of combat power)
    Unity of Command (For every objective, ensure unity of effort under one responsible commander)
    Security (Never permit the enemy to acquire an unexpected advantage)
    Surprise (Strike the enemy at a time, at a place, or in a manner for which he is unprepared)
    Simplicity (Prepare clear, uncomplicated plans and clear, concise orders to ensure thorough understanding)

    Does anyone see any similarities to the BVT discussions?

    One note: The introduction of multiple versions accomplishes some of the above without objection! (but of course some will object to my saying that :laugh:):godisgood:
     
  2. Johnv

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    That makes no sense. Since the formation of the Canon, there's never been a time in world history when there was just one translation of the bible. As such there's never been a point of time that qualifies as "the introduction of multiple versions".

    Further, presuming that your statement is true (which it's not) it is by no means a defense of the KJV. Perhaps you could say that it might be a defense of sticking to only the best selling and most widely used bible translation, but that would leave you with the NIV, not the KJV.
     
  3. Harold Garvey

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    Depends on if you put things into only a financial aspect or if you look at things from the point of what versions led up to a point in time.

    Why is it you mention the Canon and yet limit it to only the 66 Books yet many versions omit much of what the 66 books of the Canon are made of?
     
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    funny, coming from one who defends the sole sovereignty of a version that first appeared with 66 + The Apocrypha.

    nor are KJBOs capable of identifying what the KJB omits from the 66-book canon.
     
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    Harold, I don't consider any one here my enemy (not even you). I am not here to "win" or defeat any one. I can't speak for all, but I am here to learn and to share.
     
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    Harold, you have started a disgusting thread.

    What part of "We wrestle not against flesh and blood" do you not understand?

    This is a decidedly unScriptural line of thought, and dwelling on it is wrong, wrong, wrong.
     
  7. Harold Garvey

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    Funnier that some one attacks what they say they love and then interject senseless dogma as you did.

    Anyone who is serious about versions knows the Apocrypha was included as only historical and other reference purposes.

    Well, I suppose if I stand up for the Bible and against those who attack it the way you do eventually your type will identify me as you do. But the real question is are you right about this?

    The Johanine Comma has enough evidences to be in the Canon, yet many versions omit this passage due to certain criticisms.

    Like I said in another thread: we are criticized by the word of God, yet men think they are called to criticize it. Seems more to their own demise when they have it out of order.

    Of course the flow of the Scripture being compard with Scripture awards any passage to the Canon, but then we have the multiplicity of versions to disperse the army of God so they are singled out for the devil's attacks.

    One can't just memorize a passage anymore, they have to deal with those multiple versions and choose the one to their liking............. meanwhile, back at the ranch!

    Besides, a good soldier is to KNOW his weapon:tongue3:
     
  8. Harold Garvey

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    It is nice of you to suggest this, NOT!

    I'm glad you dont think I am your enemy, you are not mine. I am here to learn and share, but can't help it when I see the wiles of the devil at work attempting to disperse the armies of God by running them into so many different directions.

    "Stay the course" is admonition to make through the storms of adversity and I appreciate a detailed map that doesn't give road signs in so many different words that I have to choose which one is best.

    I decry the multiplicity of versions so we can all plot a charted course.

    You ever been on a trip and run across a fork in the road your map didn't show?
     
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    Where did I even mention who the enemy is?

    When did I mention flesh and blood?

    I could only hope instead of you directing your energy towards my person that you and others would see that I am exposing the devil's tactics against the body of Christ.

    Why is it when some one simply stands on the KJV as the word of God you and others here get all twisted up and start saying things like you have?

    I would hope you to think I am not your enemy and we all realize just who is and what they are doing to corrupt our cause.:godisgood:
     
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    While there are different translations they are all of the same thing. Your argument would be valid if some were using the Talmud, some were using the Quran, and some were using the New Testament... but we're not. Sure, some of us use a newer translation than the KJV but we are all using God's word.

    No army outfits its soldiers with exactly the same weapon. If every soldier was given just a pistol they would be wiped out by rifle fire long before they could do any damage. If they were only given rifles they would defenseless in close quarters. God forbid they were only given archaic sabres to wield.

    God has seen fit to give man the knowledge needed to bring forth new translations that use the langauge of the modern man and its nuances and idioms. God did not retire in 1611.
     
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    Funny...I agree that the KJV is God's word as well. But I'm still not wrestling with flesh and blood.
     
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    We have no problem with you standing for the KJV as being the Word of God.

    If anyone does not believe that the KJV is the Word of God they should not be posting here.

    Our problem is when YOU stand against fellow believers who also believe that the NASB is the Word of God.
    We have a problem when you attack our Bibles.

    Your map analogy is pathetic.

    You know what? I have a GPS. While it is not perfect like the Bible, it does generally get me where I am going.
    It is a garmin.
    I also have a GPS on my cell phone.

    It has a completely different version of maps on it.

    But you know what? THey both have Indiana and they both show the same roads. They are both different versions of maps of the state of Indiana and they get me where I need to be.

    No, the people who are causing harm to the church are the ones who attack all versions but their tradition.
     
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    I still don't understand why posts like these are allowed to continue. When a post calls the salvation of fellow believers on these issues, it should not be allowed.

    Help us, Lord.
     
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    I agree, TC...and furthermore, though Harold denies it, he obviously has called fellow Christians "the enemy."

    That is a reprehensible, and very unGodly attitude to portray. Harold should run from that, quickly.

    KJVO folks (not those who prefer the KJV, but the real "onlies") are way off in my book. I disagree with them strongly. But....those who have confessed Jesus as Lord are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and they are not my enemies.

    Wrong on this issue, but not my enemies. :thumbs:
     
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    My sentiments exactly.
     
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    My signature blows the socks off radical KJVO-folk. They can't disprove it from the Bible, and they can't duplicate a provable KJVs equal to to. I can prove it, but no KJVO dare tell me four statements from which to start (I get a chance to agree or disagree with it). I can prove it from the Bible. And noone dares come against me. I guess my prayer warriers can outpray thiers???
     
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    Funny, I'm still trying to find the sharp edge of my PIKE :laugh:
    (Yet from the invention of brass, the pike has been the weapon of choice [until guns were invented] over both swords and arrows.)

    Yep, Literalists are trying to make arrows out of pikes; when the Written Word of God is full of 'Figures of Speech'. Tee Hee, the literall 'blasck & white'ists won't know what done gone and hit them :))
     
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    Amen, Brother Rbell - Preach it! :thumbs:
     
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    I like your symbol, Bro Trotter: the head beating against a computer keyboard in frustration, possibley of stupidity? Anyway, it reminds me of an happening.

    I compared by Four Barrelled Cannon; TODAY'S PARALLEL BIBLE (Zondervan, 2000) with an Atomic Bomb. Certain parties said that we can only compare the Word of God with SWORDS - cause the KJB does it.

    My TODAY'S PARALLEL BIBLE contains:

    1. KJV1873 Edition
    2. NIV = New International Version
    3. NLT = New Living Translation
    4. Updated NASB = New American Standard Bible.

    Check my trailer/signaturae - I beleive all four of them individually and collectifvely are the inerrant and perfect Written Word of God. If you can find a seeming error, discrepancy, boo-boo, or any mistake of significance -- it is NOT God's doing -- it can only be due to human misundersanding.

    But it confuses some folk when Peter & John (Revelation) disagree on if it is Messiah Jesus or the Lead Devil who IS THE MORNING STAR. tee hee Messiah Jesus is NOT the planet Venus, the morning star, the evening star, nor the day star -- the boss Demon is NOT the planet Venus, the morning star, the evening star, nor the day star. Both are Figures of Speech -- both Messiah and Satan are LIKE the morning star in certain respects. Those respects are noted in the scripture -- for those of you who study scripture.

    My four barrell cannon -- as an atomic bomb -- is part of ALL SCRIPTURE. So I don't let folks in my presence disrespect the Written Word of God. Nor on-line for that matter.
     
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    :flower: They who speak last -- speak best :love2:
     

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