What's the Deal With Liberty and LBU?

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  1. TCGreek

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    I just found out that Dr. Craner, the president of Liberty Theological Seminary is the commencement speaker at LBU May graduation.

    Is LBU still favorable in the eyes of Liberty?
     
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    Liberty and LBU

    This is just a guess, but it's probably because of Thomas Ice's relationship with both schools. I believe Ice is a member of Thomas Road and teaches a Sunday School class there.....not to mention his Center for Pre-Trib Studies (I think that's the name...going by memory). I don't know if Ice teaches at Liberty or is even qualified. He is a graduate of LBU. Since he is a higher profile LBU grad and factoring in his influence in Lynchburg.....that would be my guess.

    To quote Rhetorician....FWIW!!
     
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    I don't know, but I do know that Falwell did the same thing just a few years ago.
     
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    I too know that Falwell spoke at one of the graduation ceremonies years ago. I also called Liberty about a year ago and asked them if they would accept credits from LBU, and was surprised at how many credits they actually would accept. I also know a man personally who earned his Bachelors degree from LBU, and then turned around and entered into a Masters program at a TRACS school. I think he had to take a few classes but not a whole lot in order to get into the Masters program. Also, as a side note I spoke to Ric Walston of Columbia Evangelical Seminary and he said that a person with a BAchelors degree form LBU could enter into one of CES Masters program with no problem, that all credits from LBU would be accepted.
     
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    CES is unaccredited.
     
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    While you won't find any LBU grads on the Jesus Seminar hot list, LBU is a better school then it is being given credit for. LBU grads go on to serve as pastors of BBFI churches and to the BBFI Mission field as missionaries. LBU grads are qualified as chaplains in the U.S. military as well.
     
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    While CES is unaccredited it is as good or better than some accredited schools. CES is definitely on the rise.
     
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    What is there about CES that makes it "as good or better than some accredited schools"? And why do you say that "CES is definitely on the rise"?

    I don't know that much about CES, but am curious as to your judgment.

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
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    LBU and Chaplaincy?

    How is that? I thought chaplaincy required an MDiv from a school w/recognized accreditation (not to mention an undergrad. degree from an accredited school). Can you provide a source/link for that?
     
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    LRU and Chaplaincy

    I found a few places online where folks claim that LBU works for military chaplaincy if one gets "three letters from accredited seminaries stating equivalence and acceptability". But that seems a little misleading, since it is not LBU specific - it is the requirement for anyone wishing to become a chaplain based on an unaccredited credential.

    If one wishes to become a chaplain (or join any other profession) he could do much better than LBU.
     
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    TG Question?

    TG,

    Just one question: Is it "Craner" or "Caner?"

    sdg!:thumbs:

    rd
     
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    Caner is president of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary.
     
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    Oops! I actually thought you were asking a question of inquiry. I just now realized you were correcting someone's misspelling. Sorry:BangHead:
     
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    Rhet,

    Sorry about the spelling. It should be Caner--at any rate, he is the president of Liberty Theological Seminary. :thumbs:
     
  15. Broadus

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    I can't believe my buddy Rhet is calling anyone on spelling. ;)

    Bill
     
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    I believe that this proves a point. Caner is a man of God, a great teacher, and LBU sees and respects that. LBU is a good school, and so is LU. We here in the Baptist forum argue and nit-pick points that other Baptists don't seem to want to rub into the ground.

    God didn't ask Peter or Paul for a diploma before he sent them out into the world....so accreditation is not an issue with a lot of people who do God's work. It is the Bible education that one receives, and that is what is important.
     
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    ==

    Hi Bill.

    Recently I became a mentor with CES. While I do not think that I can well-argue that CES is "better" than accredited DE schools, I'll let POB do that, I do think that a case might be made for the position that CES is "better" than most unaccredited DE schools. The faculty of CES have earned, accredited docs in over 20 universities or seminaries.

    Compare the academic qualifications of CES faculty with that of LBU -yet LBU IMO appears to be fairly substantial . It possibly is a good option for UA education-- especially for fundi-Baptists of the Pretrib/KJVO persuasion. Why not graduate from a school which just reinforces what one already believes ??(joke). Isn't everything I don't believe heresy? Why learn heresy? (another joke or two)

    IMO, the principal concern with the CES program may be the quality control, but Dr. Walston might have a system in place for that ; I don't know. The CES grad programs wherein a student works mostly with one prof seems not unlike the SATS program in that regard. But with SATS , as with the public unis in SA, a thesis is evaluated by external readers, full profs, at other schools. That and SAQA (accreditor) is what provides quality controls for SATS. I don't know what CES may do for quality control. Neither do I know what quality control LBU has in place unless it is, "whatever agrees with us is right."

    question: why do you need accreditation or any schooling if Peter had neither?
    answer: ..ummm, scratching my head, Peter was inspired are you???

    I have always found Walston to be very open and honest in his representation of his school as well as being a fine Christian.
     
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    I've wondered about quality control. My dissertation was read and approved by three faculty members at SBTS, an outside reader on the faculty at New Orleans Seminary, and a style reader at SBTS. I'd be interested in knowing what one goes through at CES.

    I would like to recommend the school. I had much rather recommend than warn--it's a lot less headache.

    Somehow, I suspect three years with Jesus was the ultimate accredited education. I'm always amazed at how standards in theological training are denigrated among forumites here. Maybe that speaks to the state of evangelicalism in the U.S. today. It's all about piety. Come to think of it, it makes perfect sense. The church has bought into our culture's philosophy that truth is relative, so doctrine is relative. All that matters is feelings.

    Bill
     
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    maybe piety or maybe pride.

    It is argued by some that those who endorse higher standards in formal Christian learning are prideful. IMO, the reverse is true.

    Endorsing more rigor indicates one thinks he needs to learn more.
    Endorsing less rigor indicates one thinks he needs to learn less.

    So, which is the more prideful? Obviously the latter!
     
  20. TCGreek

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    As a pastor and lifelong student of the Word, I fully endorsed everything you've outlined above.

    IMO, the pastor should get the best theological training that he can, and this is often found at accredited seminaries. This, however, doesn't mean that all accredited seminaries are on the same level. For example, I'll choose Southern seminary over DTS.
     

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