Wheaton? What happened?

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  1. DHK

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    Illinois professor suspended for saying Muslims, Christians worship same God
    There is more here:
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/il...-god/ar-BBnDofa?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignoutmd
     
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    It's reaping the seeds planted years ago. Many ask why Fundamentalists are so contentious, here's an example of why.
     
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    A rogue political science professor tries to make a bad theological point and ends up getting suspended.

    I am a bit surprised the Wheaton suspended her, they've usually not gone that route. Because she is tenured they have a more significant issue if they try to remove her. That is one of the bad sides of tenure. (I still think tenure is a good thing, just not for professors under 55)

    The media, of course, is not handling this with any amount of nuance or respect for the institution.
     
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    Can I can throw up an Asherah pole and still be considered a Christian. Can I believe in the Demiurge and still be a Christian? Can I make the hajj, run seven times around the kaaba, and consider that engaging in Christian worship?

    At some point, orthodoxy matters.
     
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    Professor Hawkins is one of the featured writers over at the Reformed Blacks of America blog:

    Reformed Blacks of America - Writings and Audio

    "Reformed Blacks of America, Inc. (RBA) is a center that seeks to build and maintain an infrastructure and network among African-Americans in a Reformed theological context for indigenous leadership, church growth and theological research for today's world."
     
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    It's Not Just a Scarf! protests Todd Pruitt over at the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals blog:

    "I do quibble with one point in the statement from Wheaton. They make it clear that the disciplinary action has nothing to do with Hawkins wearing a hijab."

    "My point, is that there is in fact a problem with a Christian wearing a hijab precisely because it is an act of Muslim religious devotion. It is not just a scarf any more than Yoga is simply stretching..."
     
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    The article, from a secular media, defined Wheaton as evangelical. When an "evangelical" leader tells the world that Christians and Muslims serve the same god they are not telling the truth, but rather a lie. Both Muslims and Christians know this. Ask Donald Trump, he will tell you. :)
    Islam wants control of this world and every knee to bow to Allah. To say that we are one with Islam or worship the same god as Islam is diametrically opposed to everything Christianity stands for. Christ said: "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me." Was he lying?
    The person ought to be fired, permanently.
     
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    What God talked with Hagar and made her a promise concerning her son, i.e. Abraham's first born son?

    Do you know what God's promise to her was?

     
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    Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all look to Abraham as a pivotal figure in their histories. Only one of the three call Christ the Son of God. John 14:6, posted above, cannot be true if Christians and Muslims "worship the same god." Neither can Acts 4:12.
     
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    Muslims worship another God, believe in another Jesus, hold another gospel, and believe the lie of Satan. There religion is false and therefore inferior. It should have no place in serious talks about the one true and living God. Extreme far left liberals who do not understand this do not know the bible, God or both. If they have another gospel than the one taught in scripture then they have another god. That is not xenophobia that is the gospel truth. Don't like it, too bad.
     
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    In cold weather I've seen lots of women, both here and in Europe, wearing pashminas up over their head that look like the one the professor wore. Normally a pashmina is not wore over the head ... but when it is cold and the wind is blowing it is a different matter. Seems an over reaction by the fundamentalist police and an unthinking administration.
     
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    And a veil is just a veil (1Cor.11:2ff)
    That is not the point.
    Here is the "objectionable conduct":
    1. Identifying the "hijab" specifically as Muslim apparel and then identifying herself with it.
    2. Identifying herself as a Christian and then equating her religion on the same basis as Islam (blasphemy)
    3. My wife wears head-scarfs all the time. So do the Christians and the Jews of Eastern nations. But they do not wear them in the same way that the Muslim women do, and "in solidarity with Muslims."
     
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    One of the biggest and gravest ideologies today is that of inclusivism. I see that some professing believers are defending it here and now. Not surprised.
     
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    CBT, Wheaton to the best of my knowledge has never been a "Fundamentalist" school, at least in the post 1948 usage of the word. Conservative Evangelical at best but Fundamentalist, naah.
     
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    I guess it depends on a person's point of view. Some view them as fundamental, some as conservative and some a I read a book years ago where the author, after finishing a 2 year degree at a very fundamentalists school, told his professors he was going to finish at Wheaton. He was told, Wheaton is so liberal, everyone there is going to hell.

    I've met a number of Wheaton graduates and I'd say they were all fundamental ... as well as conservative. ess it depends on your point of view.
     
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    It was not the head covering that caused the issue (although I do believe in a Christian school, that would definitely be a reason to seriously counsel the person) but the fact that she said that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. That is so fundamentally wrong that they HAD to act.
     
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    Yes, they HAD to. Meanwhile, over at the 'Gospel Coalition' Calvinist fraternity:

    http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...ms-for-christ-a-conversation-with-j-d-greear/

    Trevin Wax: "You make the case that Muslims do worship the same God as Christians, although with obvious errors in understanding. Can you elaborate..."

    J.D. Greear: "...They understand [Allah] to be the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus. That’s a good place to start. Then you can say, 'This God you worship, here is what He is really like, according to the revelation.'"
     
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    Reading his whole discussion on that question really gives more light to the situation. I don't think he feels that Allah is the God that we worship but it's a starting point to speak to Muslims.

     
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    Actually orthodoxy matters up front, not at some point.

    However, you seem to have missed the point. The Wheaton professor never said Moslems are Christian, she only said they worship the same God. I believe they do, they just have an imperfect understanding of God. The same can be said of Jews.
     

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