In another thread there was some discussion of the time of the founding of the church. Brother Righteousdude assumes that it started at Pentecost. Brother Jacob Elliot says the Pentecost beginning is debatable, but doesn't say when. I also said no to Pentecost, but didn't say when, either. So, when? I suggest that what existed at the end of the day on the Day of Pentecost existed before Pentecost. It had the gospel. It preached the gospel. It had baptism and the Lord's Supper. It held services and went out on mission trips, and evangelized. Jesus' comment in \Matthew 16:18 ("...I will build my church...") is also a clear indication that the Church existed before Pentecost. Jesus did not say I will "found" my church. He said he would build it, and the Greek word refers to superstructure. This means Jesus himself was building it and would continue to build it. So, when? I think Luke 6 gives us a clue: Thus, we have a body. They had a Head (Christ). They had a treasurer (Judas). They were baptized believers (by John the Baptist). They joined together to carry out Jesus' will. They also had power. Remember when they came back from a mission trip and said "Even the demons were subject to us." Further, in John 20:22 Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit. ("He breathed on them and said 'receive ye the Holy Spirit.'" Before Pentecost. What they had on the day of Pentecost, they had before Pentecost.