When to separate

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  1. agedman

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    Some years ago FBC of Plano had a preacher switch and exchanged pastor and priest with the large catholic congregation. FBC of Plano's pastor preached at the catholic church and at the same Sunday morning the priest of the Catholic church delivered the message (or a message) at FBC.

    Liberty University had/has Romney who many Christians consider a member of a cult as a speaker.

    Scriptures teach that the believer is not to have any fellowship (I take that as not friendship but an association about a shared interest, to co-operate in worship with) with "unfruitful works (deeds, toil, occupation) of darkness" - anti-Christ. Some have taken this to include the workers or various authorities over the works, too.

    What then is your view of the matters concerning separation?

    Would you cut business ties with an assembly over the fellowship they have with another group or person that is anti-Christ?

    Do you consider it a spiritual matter and not a business matter and continue the association?

    What of an educational institution that supposedly claims to hold to certain doctrines and statements of faith that are opposed to that person in whom the university invited on campus?

    Is that not like inviting the works of darkness into your home?

    When is it appropriate for parents and business folk to apply separation and when is it not?

    When is it appropriate to not only separate but do so militantly in publishing and encouraging other believers to no longer associate and separate, too.

    When would it be appropriate for an assembly to separate with a convention or a convention to separate from an assembly when doctrine and statements of faith are violated?

    When should an employee separate from an employer?

    When should a family (as Lot) flee a city?

    When should a man and family (Pilgrims) leave a country?

    What is your views on separation and when should Biblical separation take place?
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    Would say that Christians can work together with other groups such as RCC/Mormons etc in areas such as abortion, God being taken out of the culture etc BUT

    ANY areas that involve praying, bible teaching, sermons, On seminary ground etc DO NOT have participation with Non christian churches/individuals!
     
  3. agedman

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    So in the case of both FBC and Liberty schools and church, you would separate?

    Would the separation include no longer recommending the school and recommending removing any students who attend?
     
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    No, was asaying that they should NEVER have allowed non christians to teach/preach/speak!
     
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    Some years ago FBC of Plano had a preacher switch and exchanged pastor and priest with the large catholic congregation. FBC of Plano's pastor preached at the catholic church and at the same Sunday morning the priest of the Catholic church delivered the message (or a message) at FBC.

    Liberty University had/has Romney who many Christians consider a member of a cult as a speaker.

    Scriptures teach that the believer is not to have any fellowship (I take that as not friendship but an association about a shared interest, to co-operate in worship with) with "unfruitful works (deeds, toil, occupation) of darkness" - anti-Christ. Some have taken this to include the workers or various authorities over the works, too.

    What then is your view of the matters concerning separation?

    Would you cut business ties with an assembly over the fellowship they have with another group or person that is anti-Christ?

    It depends on what you mean by business ties and fellowship. If you mean would I leave a church that knowingly allowed a false teacher to teach, yes.

    If you mean not doing business or working for or with with someone because they are lost, no I would not stop that kind of fellowship or we would have to go out of the world.

    Do you consider it a spiritual matter and not a business matter and continue the association?

    Read last answer.

    What of an educational institution that supposedly claims to hold to certain doctrines and statements of faith that are opposed to that person in whom the university invited on campus?

    What are the doctrines and the statement of faith they hold to?

    Is that not like inviting the works of darkness into your home?

    Home? Not clear on the question.

    When is it appropriate for parents and business folk to apply separation and when is it not?

    Parents should never allow anyone to enter in and teach false doctrines. However they can invite the false teachers in and teach them the truth. As to business there can be no separation by law.

    When is it appropriate to not only separate but do so militantly in publishing and encouraging other believers to no longer associate and separate, too.

    Question too vague.

    When would it be appropriate for an assembly to separate with a convention or a convention to separate from an assembly when doctrine and statements of faith are violated?

    when doctrine and statements of faith are violated?

    When should an employee separate from an employer?

    If that employer is requiring the believer to violate their faith.

    When should a family (as Lot) flee a city?

    When God sends two angles to lead you out.

    When should a man and family (Pilgrims) leave a country?

    When ever they want to.

    What is your views on separation and when should Biblical separation take place?

    If you mean divorce never. God hates divorce.
     
  6. Yeshua1

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    think that you are saying can work with Non christian churches/leaders on say social issues such as anti abortion/gay marriages, etc

    Or IF giving say a political sppech, but IF the other party is giving theology from platform, or it concerns religious doctrines/Gospel/jesus a big NO?
     
  7. agedman

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    Liberty schools and FBC Plano both have a statements of faith and open doctrinal stands. Example: baptism, Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to be saved...


    Both had speakers/preaching that were in direct violation of the Statements of faith and Doctrinal stands.

    Is inviting a quest speaker to the platform who does not hold to both the statement of faith and doctrinal views not inviting the very anti-Christ into the midst?

    Isn't the pastor (under shepherd) to guard the door of the sheep pen (assembly)?

    It would seem that if believers were really concerned about what indoctrination their children receive, they would not support institutions that casually violated that upon which upon which they supposedly stand.

    When is it time to separate?

    Would you invite the catholic priest into your home to teach the Word?

    Would you invite mormons into your home to deliver some propaganda?

    Should either be tolerated in the assembly of a "Christian" school or a "Baptist" church?
     
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    If my Baptist Church invited a Catholic or Mormon to preach, teach, etc. then I would stand up during the service, announce that this wasn't right, and leave. Right then and right there. However they would never do such a thing.

    I would be ok with certain other topics being discussed by others from our pulpit. Anti-Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc.
     
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    Here's an actual example, as reported in the Oklahoma Baptist Messenger state paper several decades ago:

     
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    So when does the believer separate?

    When does the assembly stop "association" with those groups and institutions who would invite the anti-Christ onto the platform.

    Should the SBC rebuked both FBC Plano, and Liberty schools by also rebuking Thomas Road BC?

    Should the SBC disassociate from both?
     
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    The SBC allows those groups to vote/fellowship at their convention?
     
  12. agedman

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    Last I read, both are in good standing with the SBC.
     
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    Well then why should they cut fellowship with them? What did they do?
     
  14. agedman

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    read the op
     
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    :eek:

    WOW!

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    Would you allow Mitt Romney to spek at your church as regarding ONLY political matters?

    Could a RC priest talk in your church about Abortion , and ONLY that issue?

    Just say that this question is shaded by some "Grey "!
     
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    :thumbsup: for Curtis Hutson. He did the right thing.

    Would my church allow a roman catholic or mormon to speak at our church? No.
     
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    The answer is NO to both questions.

    Folks who desire to speak in the assembly and presenting some view no matter if that view is agreeable are anti-Christ have not business speaking.
     
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    I have a ? What about me preaching a sermon at a funeral in a Roman Catholic Church? Would that be ok?
     
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    As long as you are given the freedom to preach as God lays it on your heart, go for it!
     

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