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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Jul 30, 2013.
What was their source?
Numbers 12:6 explains how prophecy works. It is worth reading I think.
1Thess 5:19-20 tells us how NT saints are to react to the gift of prophecy.
1John 4:1-4 tells us how NT saints are to test the prophets.
Is 30:8-11 tells us how God views rebellion against the work of the Holy Spirit in this regard.
And of course Rev 12:17 and 19:10 tell us that even at the end of time the saints are known for this gift of the Spirit of Prophecy.
She was hit on the head with a rock as a child.
That is a non answer
It is the Bible answer for where prophets get their information and how.
So also is 2Peter 1:20-21.
But to know if someone is a true or false prophet -- there are Bible tests which include things like 1John 4:1-4 and Isaiah 8:19
TRUE prophets get their revealtions from God, but where did Ellen white get hers, as hers denied the true Gospel, and added doctrines and practices contrary to the Bible?
HOW can there be any additional revelations from FGod since revealtion ceased when canon closed?
Indeed that is what 2Pet 1:20-21 and Numbers 12:6 tell us.
From God - didn't we just read 2 Pet 1:20-21??
No Bible text says "revelation from God ceased when Catholics closed the canon".
I think we both know that.
Also no Bible text says that "all prophets write scripture" - I think we all see that in 1Cor 14 where "each one had a revelation" but all at the Church of Corinth did not write scripture.
That is the easy part.
Probably the same place Joseph Smith did.
When you study with Mormons they ask you to simply "accept" Joseph Smith and read their books.
When you study with Seventh-day Adventists they ask you to "Study the Bible" and test doctrine 'sola scriptura'.
Anyone can simply say no to whatever they wish. That is easy.
The hard part is doing what Paul said in 1Thess 5:19-20 and what John said in 1John 4:1-4 - the sola scriptura test that affirms what is right and knows how to detect that which is not.
BOTH denied the Gospel of jesus, as taught by Apostles, so BOTH were NOT from/Of God!
Think both got it from same One that gave Muhammed His!
Ellen White strongly affirmed the Gospel - and this is easily found in devotional books such as "Steps to Christ" and also her commentary on the life of Christ "Desire of Ages".
What I would like to know Bob, is what "revelation" did EGW give that was not already recorded in the scriptures? For if it was already recorded, then that is preaching rather than giving revelation.
Agreed. The Claim being made by prophets is not simply that they are "preaching what someone else was told by God". The claim is that God has just told them something in true Numbers 12:6 fashion.
Someone else asked this same question so a I started a thread for that very purpose (which has since gotten a little side-tracked but if you read page 1 you will see the point)..
I read the whole article on EGW's quotes and the commentary of those. I gotta be honest brother, I don't see any thing spiritually prophetic for the body of Christ, nor anything more than presumptions made from a witness of the signs of the times.
When you say she is a prophet of God, I would think that she would have some "God said" declarations for the church. I didn't see any of those.
So then you did not see anything in the long list of confirmed facts relating to health sciences either?
REally? It all just slipped right passed you?
I find that to be a small miracle all in itself.
Disasters and Wars
In 1902, she warned that the cities around the bay area of California would suffer disaster. She wrote this:
In 1904, she wrote this:
The world has seen two world wars and numerous skirmishes since then. Currently, it is a sad fact that over 200 wars between ethnic nations are raging across the globe, leading to what is often called “ethnic cleansing.” Besides these global warnings, Ellen White made a number of personal predictions regarding individual church members who refused to heed the counsel of God. These too were all fulfilled to the letter.
Regarding the establishment of the health ministry, Ellen White received numerous visions with detailed instructions as to what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. The information that was brought to light was way ahead of its time, mostly contradictory to the views held by the scientific fraternity of her time. Her predictions concerning future health hazards are currently unfolding.
The health message was designed to lift humanity out of the quagmire of erroneous ideas on the issue of health and to provide a bulwark against disease. The health message was also designed to prepare a people spiritually to withstand the stresses and spiritual warfare predicted for the time of the end.... Space does not allow a detailed discussion on her health counsels, but a few issues are worthy of note. As far back as 1864, when the medical world was unaware of the dangers of tobacco, and indeed often prescribed it as a cure or preventative measure against certain lung ailments, Ellen White wrote this:
Not until 1957 did a committee of scientists appointed by the American Cancer Society and the American Heart Association conclude that smoking was a causative factor in lung cancer. Counseling physicians on how to regard the issue of smoking, she wrote this:
The fact that Ellen White calls tobacco a narcotic is indeed surprising, since the narcotic effects of nicotine have only been established in recent times. Given this fact, and the present knowledge that the use of tobacco is a recognized precursor for the development of cravings for stronger stimulants such as drugs, to which the youth is particularly susceptible, it is indeed astounding that she wrote about these issues in her time.
More Health Examples -
Ellen White counseled that the use of animal products in the diet was harmful and that their use would become even more harmful as time progressed. The following statements, so contradictory to the views of her day, are a brief extract of what she wrote on the issue.
This counsel is only now being proved by the scientific fraternity. The link between meat consumption and the diseases listed is well documented. Worldwide, and in my own laboratory, this link has been established beyond doubt.i
Vegetarian societies have a much lower risk of contracting the diseases listed than omnivorous societies. Ellen White also warned that the time would come when, for the sake of health, one would have to dispense with all animal products, including milk and eggs. Never did she, however, advocate fanatical views on this issue and even cautioned that circumstances should be taken into account when counseling those who did not always have access to alternative foods. In 1901, she wrote this:
She counseled that God would prepare the way for the substitution of harmful foods with healthier alternatives. This prediction has been fulfilled with the introduction of new cultivars, such as the soybean and its by-products, as well as the expansion of trade and communication routes.
In our time, these predictions have been fulfilled in a manner that has astounded both the scientists and the general public. Indeed, even governments are in a panic over the modern flood of diseases striking the farming industry.
In Britain, the entire stock of cattle needs to be exterminated in view of BSE (mad cow disease). The chicken and egg industry has been reeling under the exponential increase in transferable infectious diseases caused by bacteria such as Salmonella, forcing governments to introduce legislation restricting the sale of uncooked eggs in restaurants.
The modern animal husbandry industry has produced a new breed of antibiotic resistant bacteria that are threatening the outbreak of worldwide epidemics of food poisoning from the consumption of animal products. The outbreak of food poisoning is no longer confined to countries or institutions with poor hygiene, but has become universal.
She has a book written to Ministers and a 9 volume set of "Testimonies to the Church" all of them loaded with "God said " ..
And the book "Great Controversy" takes us all the way through to the end of time - with God providing information at a detail level far beyond what we had prior to that.
All of it available for free online. Do the search on "I was shown" and "said the Angel" since this seems to be one area you are interested in.
An even easier example to find and example of spiritual insights given through the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy is simply to read her online book "Christ's Object Lessons".
Easier than that - read the first 4 chapters of the online book "Patriarch's and Prophets".
The Conflict of the Ages series is a commentary on the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
1. Patriarchs and Prophets covers Genesis through Judges.
2. Prophets and Kings covers the remainder of the O.T.
3. Desire of Ages - the Gospels.
4. Acts of the Apostles - the NT writings.
5. Great Controversy - and sweeping view of world history from the destruction of Jerusalem until the New Earth of Rev 21 and 22.
So the first four chapters of book 1 above - is a great place to get an "example" of the kind of spiritual insights that come from the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy.