Where did GOD come from ?

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  1. ryarn

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    I do not know if anyone has ever heard this but this is one of my favorite pastor from a Baptist church in San Diego,CA. His name is S.M. Lockridge. Listen to "Where did GOD Come From" at this link you'll love it. http://www.gracehope.com/video/?v=u_XD1JOzGEUuA and also his sermon on" AMEN" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCKL7gHNvk this is split into 5 parts on youtube this is #1 and you should be able to find the other parts. And one last one "Thats My King' at http://life.biblechurch.org/slifejom/paradigm-audio-video/2429-thats-my-king-by-dr-sm-lockridge.pdf
    You Will Love Them.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Did anyone enjoy these?
     
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    The first one was good, although I was nervous seeing the heretic kenneth hagin on the sidebar listing a few of his sermons.





    listening to the second.....
     
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    You certainly never disappoint in trotting out your favorite word....the "H" word.
     
  5. Amy.G

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    Kenneth Hagin really IS a heretic of the highest order. Do a search. He is creeeeeepy.
     
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    Isnt he dead though?
     
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  8. Amy.G

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    Yes, but his followers are alive and well.
     
  9. Alive in Christ

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    Kenneth Erwin Hagin (August 20, 1917 - September 19-2003.)
     
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    Amy, I do not know anything of Mr. Hagin.....I will assume that he is a believer. But I take umbrage at how easily and often the "h bomb" rolls off the keypads.
     
  11. Iconoclast

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    from the article:
    - In an early-1990s edition of his magazine, The Word of Faith, Hagin clearly delineated his heresy of "positive confession." The article was entitled, "You Can Have What You Say":

    "Often you create your own negative situations yourself with wrong thinking, wrong believing, and wrong speaking. So start believing according to God's Word. Then begin making positive confessions of faith and victory over your life. ... You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak. ... If you don't like what you have in life, then begin to change the way you are thinking, believing, and speaking. Instead of speaking according to natural circumstances out of your head, learn to speak God's Word from your spirit. Begin to confess God's promises of life and health and victory into your situation. Then you can begin to enjoy God's abundant life as you have what you say!"

    This was not a slip of the tongue or some new doctrine. This is at the heart of the Positive Confession (PC) movement today, also known as the "name-it-and-claim-it" gospel. The Positive Confession movement is a charismatic form of Christian Science. This can be substantiated by simply comparing the similarities in their common beliefs. Positive Confession is basically warmed-over New Thought dressed in evangelical/charismatic language. (Other well-known PC'ers besides Hagin's most successful protégé, Kenneth Copeland, are Charles Capps, Frederick K.C. Price, Robert Tilton, and David Yonggi Cho. Many of them are graduates of Hagin's RHEMA Bible Training Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma.)

    - Hagin went a step further, from heresy to blasphemy, when he said, "The believer is as much an incarnation of God as Jesus Christ" (Hagin, "The Incarnation," The Word of Faith, 12/80, cited in Christianity in Crisis, p. 175,397). He has also said, "If we ever wake up and realize who we are, we'll start doing the work that we're supposed to do. Because the church hasn't realized yet that they are Christ. That's who they are. They are Christ." This is a gross heresy. The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. He is the eternal Son of God. Nowhere is the believer said to be an incarnation of Almighty God. The Lord Jesus Christ performed miracles to demonstrate that He was the Son of God, the promised Messiah. No Christian can do the things that Christ did. Not one Pentecostal preacher has ever been able to perform the miracles that Christ performed. It is blasphemous confusion to claim that the believer is an incarnation of God like Christ was.

    - Hagin obviously did not believe God is sovereign. Jesus, according to Word-Faith theology, has no authority on earth, having delegated it all to the church. He developed this point in his book The Authority of the Believer (Tulsa: Faith Library, 1979). And though most Word-Faith advocates would affirm the personality of the Holy Spirit, their teachings, in effect, depersonalize Him by consistently speaking of Him as a power to be drawn upon rather than it is we who are to be His instruments (Charismatic Chaos, p. 267).

    - When one starts believing that he is Christ, with the power of Christ to create reality, the stories become ludicrous. Surely Hagin had the most unusual story of all. He said that when he was younger and still single, God led him to break off a relationship with a woman by revealing to him that she was morally unfit. Hagin claimed God miraculously transported him out of church one Sunday, right in the middle of the sermon. Worst of all, Hagin was the preacher delivering the sermon! (Charismatic Chaos, p. 49.)
     
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    Theology

    The Statement of faith of Hagin's Rhema Bible Training Center is identical to that of the Assemblies of God and most other major Pentecostal denominations. (Rhema Bible Training Center Information Pamphlet; 16 Fundamental Truths of the Assemblies of God) Additionally, as mentioned above, some of Hagin's theological beliefs and teachings were similar to those of E.W. Kenyon. For example:
    Physical Healing: It is always God's will that a believer be physically healed of any sickness or infirmity. (Luke 5:13; 1 Pet 2:24). Hagin based the belief of healing for all on the understanding that healing for the physical body was included in redemption. If redemption was available to all, then healing would also be available to all. (Word of Faith magazine, 6/90; 7/92; 8/92; 12/92, Kenneth Hagin, Redeemed from Poverty, Sickness and Death and Healing Belongs to Us).
    Material Wealth: It is always God's will that every believer be 'financially blessed' through faith. Although Hagin emphasized that material prosperity was a redemptive blessing, he never taught that living by faith excluded hard work and wise business practices. In his later years he wrote a book entitled, "The Midas Touch" in which he wrote sharply and correctively about the so-called prosperity gospel and many of the extreme teachings that were being circulated under this heading. He warned the body of Christ of the dangers of greed and explained that the purpose of financial blessing is for the furtherance of the work of the gospel. (Kenneth Hagin, How God Taught Me About Prosperity and The Midas Touch).
    Faith and Authority: Hagin believed that the believer through his position in Christ had authority over elements of this world and elements of the satanic world. By faith the believer can exercise the authority of God to change impossible situations into possibilities (Luke 1:37) (Mark 11:22-24). Faith, to Hagin, is a matter of belief in God's word which also entails a vocal expression of God's Will or confession thereof. According to Hagin, God has promised to answer believing prayer and respond positively to the believer's exercise of faith (Kenneth Hagin, I Believe in Visions, What Faith Is, Bible Faith; A Study Guide).
    Salvation: Hagin claimed in several of his books that he physically died three times as a child. Each time he descended to hell but was brought back to life when a voice spoke. On the third trip to hell, Hagin claims to have asked Jesus for forgiveness and salvation. Crying, 'God! I belong to the church! I've been baptized in water' twice, to no avail, he cried out a third time. It is at that point, he claims, that he was saved and brought back to life a final time. Hagin goes on to say that his mother was praying so loud when he arrived back in his body that "traffic was lined up for two blocks on either side of our house!" After this dramatic experience, Hagin came to believe that church membership and water baptism were not sufficient to save but rather the 'new birth worked by the power of the Holy Spirit' in response to a personal confession of faith in the Lordship and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Even though it seems that this new birth could apparently be had even after death, it is only through that he was already 'coming back to life' that he was saved.' (ibid., Word of Faith magazine, 10/01, Kenneth Hagin, The New Birth; I Went to Hell).
    Substitutionary Act: Hagin spoke of Jesus' death in substituionary terms. The doctrine of 'Substitution' as taught by Hagin differs widely from the same doctrine as taught by many other branches of Christianity. The normal theory of Substitutionary atonement is that the son Jesus paid our debts, previous, current and future to the Father within the Godhead. Hagin claimed that Jesus died as the substitute for all of humanity, as do most Christians (Bible, 2 Cor 5:14-15), but also believes that Jesus suffered the torments of hell for three days and that He 'defeated the devil', stripped him of all authority and was resurrected after being 'quickened in spirit' or 'born again'. Hagin held that those who received Christ were born again and shared in the benefits of Christ's resurrection and power through their identification with His death, burial and resurrection. (Kenneth Hagin,The Name of Jesus; The Triumphant Church).
    Sacred Scriptures: Hagin's beliefs followed in the reformed tradition in that the Bible is viewed to be the literally true, inerrant word of God as written by men under the guidance of the Spirit of God. Although Hagin often spoke of the dramatic spiritual encounters he claimed to have had, he always insisted that faith was to be established upon the word of God alone and not upon the experiences of man. Many times in his ministry he made the statement, "Don't believe anything because I said it. Search the scriptures and prove it out for yourself" (Kenneth Hagin, How You Can Know the Will of God and The Believer's Authority).
     
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  14. Alive in Christ

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    Qantumfaith..

    I too believe Ken Hagin Sr was a believer in Christ.


    But he was also a strong and influential teacher of the exceedingly heretical "word of faith", " seed faith' "God wants you rich" heresy.
     
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    Kenneth Hagin gave the address for the house in which he claimed to have died, gone to hell, and then came back, and it's in my town. I've driven by it, and it's a single level home, but looks big enough to have 4 bedrooms. And there's something in a window, but I've forgotten just what it is, that seems to be a little attention-getter. Whether this is found interesting or not, it's across the street from the Episcopal church that's been there for about a century, which has had a history of mysterious fires, both at the church buildings and one at the adjacent rectory. To top this off, that church also had a big business that lasted for decades and raised many thousands of dollars. The product-- fruitcakes.
     
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    I have a problem when someone preaches more about the welfare of their congregant's pockets/purses, than about Jesus Christ...

    Poor ole Mike Murdock is one I have heard a few times, and it's ALWAYS about money. If he ever mentions Jesus, it is how Jesus saw to it that he got a car, or cash.

    I have deep concerns for people like Haggin and Murdock......
     
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    Mike Murdock is on tv regularly where I live very late at night. 2-3 ish am.

    He and his ilk are running the "send me one THOUSAND dollars, and God will make you rich" scam.
    He and his ilK are the scum of the earth. they are nothing but thieves, and every one of them should be sitting in prison right now.

    They get away with it because they know just how far they can go with out going too far.


    There is a day of recconing coming.
     
  18. ryarn

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    I guess we should change this to the Kenneth Hagin Thread :sleeping_2:
     
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    I know nothing of that, I am not in agreement with any "gospel of wealth" position.
     
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    Well S.M. LOCKRIDGE was a MIGHTY MAN for CHRIST, he has been with the LORD several years now.:applause:
     

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