In the other thread that is now closed, I never got a chance to respond to Brother DHK's response to me. So here we go... DHK quoted this: I then said: Then he responded by saying this: I will quote the whole response here and then break it down so I can answer each point I am making. Now, I will break this down point-by-point to make my point(s): Great! Hallelujah! Glory to God! An accord! Wait a minute. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, yet you say faith is based on relationship. If the unregenerate have a fruit of the Spirit(I.E. faith), how can they have faith if it is based upon a relationship with God? The unregenerate are God's enemy. That would be like saying USA had a relationship with Adolf Hitler. What I am saying is that innate faith is something everyone possesses. But that faith is directed towards everything, everyone but God. The faith it takes to be saved is God-given. Once regenerated by God and infused with saving faith and repentance, they are no longer unregenerate, but regenerate and NOW have a relationship with God, and not before. If everyone has/had faith in this manner, everyone would be saved. God adds us to the body and places us where He pleases to do so. Paul addressed this very thing in that some are a foot, some are a hand, some an eye, some a finger, some a nose, &c. Not everyone can be one body part. That is why some were Apostles, some are now preachers, some are teachers, some a just 'pew-sitters', but all have their place in the body. But everyone makes up some body part in the body of Christ and plays a vital role. He did. Judas Iscariot. He sent him out with the other eleven to do miracles, and I have no reason to not believe he did some miracles. However, the bible never speaks one way or the other, so it is just speculation. I am not dogmatic about this, but it does appear he did have the same authority over demons, sickness and death the other eleven had. Yes it is. Faith is a spiritual gift...saving faith, not innate faith. Thank you for a quick preview of your view here. I agree, it is absurd.