Where is satans Kingdom and is it Still in force?

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  1. revmwc

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    Jesus said:
    Matthew 12:
    25 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
    26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

    Mark 3:
    22 "And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
    23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
    24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
    25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
    26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end".

    We see that Jesus taught there was a definite Kingdom of satan. He stated it to the Scribes and His accusers. Satan had an influence on the world after Christ ascended too.

    We see:
    Acts 26:
    7 "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."

    So the people who become believers are said to be turned from darkness and the poser of satan" That being said is this world under satans power and influence today?

    If so would that mean he has dominion over the earth at this time with the exception of the Holy Spirit and the angels on the 4 corners of the earth.

    We see 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8,
    6 "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

    Paul was definitely talking about this earth and the iniquity that works on it. The Holy Spirit letteth certain iniquities occur, but it says He will be removed that taken out of the way, when does that occur?
    Before the wicked one is revealed. This isn't satan he is already here, could this be the Beast out of the sea mentioned in Revelation, or the wicked one referred to by Daniel. the Beast who will rule in the Tribulation?

    So where is satan's kingdom right now, who has dominion over the earth at this time?

    Scripture makes it clear, satan has a Kingdom and Jesus was battling Him, Luke made it clear the unbelievers of this world are under the power of satan. Finally Paul said the Holy Spirit will be removed at some point and the wicked one will be revealed, that wouldn't be satan we already know he exist and we already see His influence in the world.

    So when is the Holy Spirit removed, at the Rapture of the church with the Bride that is the church.
    The wicked one is revealed and eventually comes to power at the 3 1/2 year mark.

    We see Revelation 7:
    1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

    Once the 144,000 have been sealed from 12 tribes of Israel then these angels will release the full brunt of God's wrath upon the Kingdom of satan.
    The Tribulation will be in full swing, with the Holy Spirit and church removed.
     
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    We await with great expectation that which we were taught to pray...


    Matthew 6:9-10

    King James Version (KJV)

    9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

    10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.



    We have been translated into the Kingdom of Christ, so not sure why it would be thought strange that the kingdom we were translated from is a kingdom which does not have God as it's Sovereign.


    Revelation 18

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.



    This is not a command to leave a physical city, but to overcome, that is...to believe and be saved, and thus translated out of the kingdom/s of this world into the Kingdom of Christ.


    God bless.
     
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    Actually, as I have stated before and as Scripture teaches, the power of Satan has been limited since the ministry of Jesus Christ.

    Matthew 12:24-29
    24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
    25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
    26. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
    27. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
    28. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
    29. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
     
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    Having control over the world system does not equate to having ownership/mortgage/domain/control etc. over the earth.
    No one is arguing that Satan does not have his world system or his kingdom in place, (which God is still in control of, using all things for His will) but that does not translate into saying Satan owns this earth. As Paul states our struggle is against the spiritual realm.
    I will answer the op more fully when I can be on a computer :)
     
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    You are arguing it, as it is a false premise based on your misunderstanding of what was said.

    Your teacher BR began it, if I remember correctly, and you latched on to it and ran with it.

    Look forward to an address of the issue when you get on your computer.

    Sorry for harassing you again.

    ;)


    God bless.
     
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    It is not limited for those who ignore the teaching of Scripture:


    1 Peter 5:8-9

    King James Version (KJV)

    8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

    9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.



    And that doesn't even calculate the lost:


    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    King James Version (KJV)

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



    Is the writer in error to call Satan the god of this world?

    Not much different than the Lord saying "I said Ye are gods...but shall die like men."

    If God does not overlook the power that Satan has, why should we? Why should we ignore that Satan has a dominion over the world system and that we are to not only be on guard against it...but in opposition to it?

    And who is our enemy? Flesh and blood?

    No.


    God bless.
     
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    I don't mind the heat of the kitchen if you will.
     
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    Good! While you're in there, fix me a sandwich...:smilewinkgrin: :tongue3: :tonofbricks:
     
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    Yeah about that, I don't think so. ;)
     
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    So how is satans power limited?

    We see Acts 26 after Jesus ascension and end of His earthly ministry
    17 "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."

    or how about this,
    1 Corinthians 7:
    4 "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
    5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."

    Appears here satan has power to tempt believers.

    2 Corinthians 2:10-11
    10 "To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
    11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."

    seems if we see satan as limited he can gain an advantage over us.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15

    13 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

    2 Corinthians 12:6-8,

    6 "For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
    Satan can transform himself into an angel of light, still has power there."

    the Apostle Paul was buffeted by satans messenger, he still had power to hinder the cause of Christ and Paul's ministry.

    1 Thessalonians 2:17-18,

    17 "But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
    18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us."

    Satan hindered Paul, seems he had power, authority to accomplish that.

    So where or how much is satan limited?

    We know this one thing 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8,

    3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed
    , whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

    The Holy Spirit lets or doesn't let satan do certain things. But when He is removed the Tribulation will begin.

    But a question here, if the Holy Spirit indwells every believer of this age and as this says HE is removed. Then will you and I as believers lose the indwelling Holy Spirit or be taken out with Him?
     
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    Well, it was worth a shot... :-/
     
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    Can't win if you don't play :)
     
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    Well I started a new thread trying to keep yours from being hijacked with this and now it gets hijacked.
     
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    He has influence on the world system, that is not the same as having ownership/dominion/mortgage/ etc. over the earth. As Jesus said to Pilate:

    "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
    John 18:36

    Neither is Satan's "kingdom" and physically earthly kingdom. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

    Yes World System, he does not own/control/mortgage/dominion etc over the earth.

    No it doesn't mean that. You are reading that into the text to try to prove your idea that he own/control/mortgage/dominion etc the earth.

    Not sure what this has to do with your point of Satan own/control/mortgage/dominion etc. over the earth.

    Two questions there:
    the Frist his kingdom is spiritual not physical.
    Second God

    Yes he controls the World System, but that does not mean he own/control/mortgage/dominion etc the earth.

    This really has nothing to do with the sup point you are trying to make about Satan own/control/mortgage/dominion etc the earth.
     
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    Are you saying that you believe Satan's power is unlimited?
    Because your questions would indicate that you think Satan has unlimited power,meaning he would be equal with God.
     
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    Can't eat if the girls don't do their duty.

    ;)


    God bless.
     
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    When's the last time you tangled with a demon?


    God bless.
     
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    No satan is not Omnipotent, he also in not omnipresent, he can only be one place at one time, when two people sat the devil made me do it and both of them did something at the same time it couldn't have been the devil, he can't be two places at one time.

    The point of the thread was to answer OR when he stated "Actually, as I have stated before and as Scripture teaches, the power of Satan has been limited since the ministry of Jesus Christ."

    To see where He sees the limited power of satan since the ministry of Jesus Christ. Especially in view of His power always having been limited by God. He received permission from God to test Job, but god said you cannot take his life. Jesus stated that satan sought to sift Peter the night of the arrest of Jesus.

    That sifted ended in Peter denying Christ, was that a Spiritual or a physical denial? Were the three who accused Peter of being one of the disciples and being with Jesus physical or spiritual beings?

    Let's go further the shipwrecks Paul went through did God cause them, nature or satan? If satan then did he cause the conditions, if not and it was nature then Paul couldn't say satan prevented him, or could I guess and it wouldn't be true.
     
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    Let's drop my analogy part of the mortgage for a little bit I was in fast gear and meant to say it differently. It was stated but I used the wrong context my bad.

    That being said, Christ is the one worthy to open the book of the redemption of the Earth. What does the earth need to be redeemed from?


    the part you said has nothing to do with the sup point, everything to do with it. Final question is this earth under man's dominion right now?
     
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    Its under God's dominion

    And you keep using circular logic with the scroll in Revelation.
     

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