Where is the USA in prophecy?

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  1. Ulsterman

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    I assume, rightly or wrongly, most fundamental Baptists are pretrib & premillennial. I would like to know what you think about the absence of any mention of the USA in Revelation. Given the prominent role of the US in world affair's at present, why does she not appear to have a role at th ened of time?
     
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    Hey, Pastor. Will start off by saying, I'm pre-trib! [​IMG]

    I have wondered the same thing myself, just where IS the USA in Bible prophecy? But I've been hooked on Bible prophecy since growing up as a Fundy Bapt. PK. :eek:

    Here are two schools of thought - interesting reads and tons of info on these sites:

    First: USA in relation to the House of Israel:

    http://www.unitedisrael.org/

    http://www.cryaloud.com/

    http://asis.com/~stag/losttrib.html

    Since you're from Ireland, you may be familiar with some of the info above (i.e, Prophet Jeremiah, King's daughters, etc.) ;)

    Second: USA as Babylon, the Great Harlot:

    http://www.freedomyou.com/prophecy/

    Sadly, on 09/11, I was reminded of a passage in Revelation 18.

    This is just info I've found, not expecting any of it to be endorsed by anyone on this Board, in this Fundy Forum.....LOL! :D But since you asked....
    :eek:
     
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    Maybe the lack of evidence of the USA in Rev. is because of the lack of it's existence in those times? :eek:
     
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    Maybe we are there, but not by name! :D

    [​IMG] Love you, Olive! [​IMG]
     
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    My best thought is nuked shortly after the Rapture since nothing will hold back God's wrath once the remnant is gone. 1/3 of the earth's forests are destroyed during the Trib and the US and Canada have 1/3 of the earth's forests. England's strongest young lion is gone hence she and the rest can only ask questions of the AntiChrist's design on spoil.
     
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    SheEagle wrote

    "Since you're from Ireland, you may be familiar with some of the info above (i.e, Prophet Jeremiah, King's daughters, etc.)"
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    Actually I'm from NORTHERN Ireland, a country quite separate from Ireland and part of the UK - a matter we have been disputing for the better part of a century or more;) I once took a youth camp in County Fermanagh (S.W. county of N. Ireland) and we took a boat ride on Lough Erne (That's a lake to most of you:) ) and the tour guide informed us that Jeremiah's bones were buried on an island in that lake!! I told our young people that anyone who could find Jeremiah's bones would be excused kitchen duty for the week!! Sadly, but not surprisingly, no one did. The whole concept of British Israelism is such a nonsense, isn't it?

    In anycase, thanks for the website references they were good for a laugh. I think we can safely rule out America/Britain is Israel argument. I don't think America is the Babylon either. Some time ago we had a man preach at our church, and he suggested that America might be coupled with Europe as part of a revived Roman Empire seeing America was largely founded and developed by Western European's. Maybe someone has a thought on that. My own thought is that the US is going to become economically depressed, that the European Union will become the dominant political and commercial force in the world. It is possible also that America will become so morally corrupted that it will effectively destroy itself. I agree that the possibility of nuclear destruction is also viable.
     
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    Nuclear destruction is possible. Only probably not from a missle as we imagined growing up in the 1960s. But from al-Qaeda simultaneously attacking nuclear power facilities, yes, definitely a possibility. The ban has been lifted on flying in nuclear power plant zones, last I saw reported. We have thousands of al-Qaeda inside the US in sleeper cells but INS doesn't know where they are. :( There is a real and present danger, though many people have their heads in the sand. Whatever happens, I think it will be after the Rapture.
     
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    Reluctantly, I'm in full agreement on this!

    satan has done an effective job in this country&gt;
     
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    Post-Trib, Post-Trib, Post-Trib :D

    Bryan
     
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    Ditto!
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    Why *should* America be in Revelation? It seems to me that to look for America in prophecy would be to make a great many assumptions about timing in history, roles of countries, responses of countries in certain situations, etc, etc, etc.

    We must also remember what the purpose of the book of Revelation is in the first place.
     
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    Our church did a series on Revelations last summer (2001) And the description pointed more to the Vatican and the United Nations...not the United States.

    In fact, have you seen the Euro Dollar? There is a picture of the woman riding the beast on the coin...check it out for yourself.
     
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    Our church did a series on Revelations last summer (2001) And the description pointed more to the Vatican and the United Nations...not the United States.

    In fact, have you seen the Euro Dollar? There is a picture of the woman riding the beast on the coin...check it out for yourself.
    </font>[/QUOTE]There is a book out (I wish I could remember the title) that is a historical survey of endtimes prophecy interpretation. Basically the conclusion is that every generation has had reason to think it would be the last one. So what we see as "evidence" today could be dismised as a false interpretation of both Scripture and world events tomorrow.
     
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    Will the Christians with the right interpretation of prophecy be able to laugh, in a loving, Christ-like way, at the ones who had it wrong when we got to Heaven?

    Like a pre-trib walking up to a post-trib and asking him his thoughts on Revelation etc? Will the phrase "I told you so" exist in Heaven? [​IMG]

    There is a part of my pre-trib heart that hopes so... [​IMG]

    Please forgive my flippent questions.
     
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    Actually, I kind of hope that He comes 1 year into the Trib cuz then we would all be wrong.
     
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    Nevertheless, it sent chills down my spine when I saw it. Something fortold in Revelation... proven before my eyes. I'm not joking... the Euro...has the picture of a woman riding a beast...really. Coinsidence? I don't believe in those.

    Back to topic... It would be interesting to see if the United States was in the book of Revelation... It probably is under some different name... such as a parable etc. would be very interested to read what others may have found.

    Have any of you read "The Bible Code" by Michael Drosnin? The hidden code discovered in the Bible foretells events that happened thousands of years after the Bible was written. Current events that have been proven such as the date the Gulf War started...was discovered a week before it did. The assignation of Yitzhak Rabin... was discovered before the fact. There are many interesting things in that book regarding events and timelines that are in the Bible... revealed by our new computer technology, mathamatically. The Hidden book...The Sealed book as mentioned in Daniel and Revelation...may just be this hidden code within the fiber of God's word that had a time code attached to it...it could not be discovered until humankind's technology had advanced to this point.

    Okay, nobody start whistling the Twilight Zone theme. [​IMG]

    edited for spelling

    [ September 09, 2002, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]
     
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    As far as I can determine, the Euro coins come in 1 and 2 Euro values. Also, there are different backs (verso) for each country. I am able to find only one Euro coin with a woman riding an animal, and that is the Greek version of the 2 Euro coin:

    See here: Greek 2 Euro coin

    Yes, coincidence. [​IMG] You don't believe in coincidence? I'll prove it: the first 4 letters of coincidence is "coin". [​IMG] [​IMG] Besides, I saw a woman ride a beast at a rodeo recently. ;)

    I have his book, and Grant Jeffrey's books, and I think that other guy's too. I think (and hope) most here do not put stock in the "codes". ;) You may want to check out this link for a solid but amusing site that explains the statistical manipulation involved.
     
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    America is mentioned in Romans

    FOR ALL HAVE SINNED... col (cry out loud)
     
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    Actually the code was discovered by an Israeli mathematician, Dr. Eliyahu Rips. Michael Drosnin is a reporter who wrote for the Washington Post and the New York Times. He was a sceptic , He however was able to prove that events in history were fortold in the Hebrew texts. The quest to find the hidden text...started with Isaac Newton...because of what is said about it in the Bible.

    These finding were found in the Bible, Not numerology, cabalism or gnosticism. Althought gnosis does mean to know God...in greek... I believe you are trying to misinterpret my meaning here. I don't discard anything that is found in the Bible. Or the possibilities that God intended for these messages to be found in His word as humankind advanced in technology and knowledge. Is it so impossible to grasp that the Bible, the Word of God...is capable of deaper meaning than our limited human understanding?

    As to others who laugh off my Pastors findings and teachings...and the coin that he held in his hand that I viewed with my own eyes. Choose to believe or not believe what you will. I choose to keep an open mind as to the unlimitlessness of God and His word.

    I appologize that my post was the catalyst for this topic going astray.
     

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