Which Baptist Church Teaches.....

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  1. RightFromWrong

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    For the life of me I cannot figure out which Baptist church teaches you can LOSE YOUR SALVATION ?

    I know Chruch of Christ-Penticostles-Church of the Nazerene-and others but NOT one Baptist.

    Please help because as far as I'm concern this isn't a Baptist doctrine !
     
  2. StefanM

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    Free-Will Baptists

    General Baptists
     
  3. NateT

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    Freewill Baptists do teach this doctrine
     
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    Free Will Baptists do, not familar with General Baptists.
     
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    General Baptists, generally speaking ( :D ) believe in General Atonement but also believe in eternal security. At least the ones in this country. The English General Baptists are of an entirely different opinion. [​IMG]
     
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    V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
    We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retains his freedom of choice; therefore, it
    is possible for him to turn away from God and be
    finally lost. GENERAL BAPTIST STATEMENT OF FAITH
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    This is the General Baptist denomination of which I wrote.
     
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    You are correct.

    This has been a belief among some groups of Baptists for hundreds of years.
     
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    Well I noticed after looking at the profiles of those who believe they can lose their salvation. None of them belong to either of these denominations :confused:
     
  9. Jeff Weaver

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    You can add modern Separate Baptists to the list.
     
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    True Baptists have always taught "eternal security of the believer"--because that is a plain teaching of scripture--"he that hath the Son hath life".

    Trying to identify this teaching in all that is called Baptist in this generation is an exercise in futility. There is no such entity as "the Baptist Church".

    Selah,

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    "There is no such entity as 'the Baptist Church'."

    Well said. However, you are wrong that "True Baptists have always taught 'eternal security of the believer.'

    Baptists historically have been defined by polity and other distinctives, not soteriology, a matter over which they have often disagreed.
     
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    When did soteriology become the 'watchword' among baptists as a test of fellowship?

    I have been engaged with SGLB's on another forum who are beginning to teach security only in the culmination of scriptural baptism .

    Just a question...If we believe truly in the independence of each local visible assembly, why do we make any tests for fellowship?

    We (SGLB's) that I have associated with have never held such a test for things such as eschatology. Primarily the test is over authority and the view of soteriology is understood to mean improper authority.

    Just wondering some things esp. in view of the seeming growth among SGLB's that are Independent and Missionary of the teachings of Alexander Campbell.

    It seems more and more to me the actions of the Baptists of 1830's is being justified in splitting from the New School Baptists.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    Clash of the "ologies"--we do err by not looking at this debate as a young child--unadulterated by the hallowed halls of higher textual criticism and other confusions promulgated by certain institutions of higher learning.

    The conflict concerning salvation has been raging since before Cain slew Able. It can be seen in the NT. There were those who insisted that one must be circumcised to be saved. The scripture is very plain concerning this matter: see Eph. 2:8-10. The only work that is involved in salvation is the finished work of Christ at Calvary. It is by His shed blood only that he redeemed His lost sheep.

    Sacraments cannot save. Pilgrimmages cannot save. Baptism by proxy cannot save. Joining a church cannot save. Praying to those departed cannot save. Praying to Mary cannot save.

    Philippian Jailer: "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
    Answer: Believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, your household too.

    That is a very simple soteriology--even a child can understand.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    "Baptists historically have been defined by polity and other distinctives, not soteriology, a matter over which they have often disagree."

    Reply: True Baptists, historically, have been "slurred and blurred"--in histories that were written by those who hated them and attempted to vanquish them. They were drowned, burned, impaled and dashed to their deaths--mostly because of their soteriology. They refused to baptize their infants, believing that baptism has not sacramental properties. They also refused to bow to the holy see, which they considered antichrist.

    The "bone of contention" is simple: salvation by faith or salvation by works. The battle still rages. Now it is called Calvinism vs Arminianism, although True Baptists never had much to do with Chauvin or Arminius.

    This is not some debatable/agnostic subject in Soteriology 101--it is the crux of the battle for the souls of men which still rages on this planet--between Jehovah and Lucifer. The devil was defeated from before the foundation of the world. The proof of that was at Calvary. The fruition is soon to come.

    True Baptists have never disagreed on soteriology--which is a "Doctor" word for Gospel--yes, good news. "Salvation is of the Lord. Jesus paid it all. It is finished."

    What have we done with Jesus?

    Selah,

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  15. Bible Believing Bill

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    This is the one piece of General Baptist Doctrine I questioned when we recently joined a General Baptist Church after having been IFB. The way the Pastor explained it to me is that by retaining free will we can make a decision that we no long want the the gift of God's Grace and in effect return it to him. Logically this makes sense to me, since God gives us a choice to accept or regect Him we still retain that choice, and can choose to return the gift after initially accepting it. I do not believe that if we truly seek after God and have accepted His Grace that He would take it from us.

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    So Bible Believing Bill how does your pastor explain these words in the Bible ? If we can walk away from God then he is a liar and his promises and words are not true. RIGHT !

    If these WORDS and what they mean do not prove assurance of Salvation I do not what else can !

    NOTHING

    ETERNAL LIFE

    PREDESTINED

    SECURITY

    ASSURANCE

    SALVATION

    FORGIVENESS

    SAVED

    ADOPTION

    JOINT HEIRS

    REDEMPTION

    JUSTIFIED

    GLORIFIED

    SEALED

    GRACE

    MERCY

    SANCTIFIED
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    After looking up all those words what is the conclusion of what Christ did for me ?

    He chose me before the foundation of the world
    NOT ME

    He redemmed me from Hell
    NOT ME

    He chose me to be adopted into his family
    NOT ME

    He forgave me of all my sins forever
    NOT BASED ON ME


    He gave me life everlasting
    NOT ME

    He sanctified me by the shedding of his blood
    NOT MINE

    He sealed me with his stamp of approval ( Holy Spirit )
    NOT MINE

    He glorified me by his RIGHTEOUSNESS
    NOT MY OWN

    He assured me that he is forever faithful, true & is not a liar
    I AM NOT TO BE TRUSTED BUT HE IS

    He secured me with the Holy Spirit
    NOT MY WILL OR FLESH

    He Justified me through his sacrifice into a right relationship with God
    JUST AS IF I HAD NEVER SINNED

    And so on and so on

    The only thing we are responsible for is to respond to God both in receiving Christ and after in yielding to his will. That is our responsiblity.
    Gods resonsibilty is to remain True and Faithful
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  17. RightFromWrong

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    I honestly believe the teaching that one can lose his salvation either by living in sin or walking away. Is a SCARE TATIC used by PREACHERS to keep their members in line and paying monies to the church. Why else would this false twisted teaching be so prevalent ?

    Especially when numbers are so important !

    Just my honest humble opinion
     
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    losing ones salvation is a teaching carried in by protestant denominations and catholic individuals, who have converted but cant let loose of all their false teachings.

    in the study of the true baptist linage security of the beliver as always been the truth.

    its a teaching or belief in a weak God one who isnt all powerful and trustworthy.
    you can serve him ill serve the only true God who is all powerful.

    be careful of a wolf in sheeps clothing satan loves confusion.
     
  19. Bible Believing Bill

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    RightFromWrong,

    As I said this is the one area of General Baptist Doctrine I have trouble with, and I am studying it myself. I will continue to study this and let the Holy Spirit lead me to the correct path. Your post is more about predestition than about the topic of this thread and I am not going down that rabbit trail.

    Bill
     
  20. Trotter

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    Gee, I always thought 'eternal life' was eternal, not conditional...

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     

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