Which Baptist Church Teaches.....

Free-Will Baptists

General Baptists

 

Freewill Baptists do teach this doctrine

 

Free Will Baptists do, not familar with General Baptists.

 

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V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retains his freedom of choice; therefore, it
is possible for him to turn away from God and be
finally lost. GENERAL BAPTIST STATEMENT OF FAITH
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This is the General Baptist denomination of which I wrote.

 

You can add modern Separate Baptists to the list.

 

True Baptists have always taught "eternal security of the believer"--because that is a plain teaching of scripture--"he that hath the Son hath life".

Trying to identify this teaching in all that is called Baptist in this generation is an exercise in futility. There is no such entity as "the Baptist Church".

Selah,

Bro. James

 

When did soteriology become the 'watchword' among baptists as a test of fellowship?

I have been engaged with SGLB's on another forum who are beginning to teach security only in the culmination of scriptural baptism .

Just a question...If we believe truly in the independence of each local visible assembly, why do we make any tests for fellowship?

We (SGLB's) that I have associated with have never held such a test for things such as eschatology. Primarily the test is over authority and the view of soteriology is understood to mean improper authority.

Just wondering some things esp. in view of the seeming growth among SGLB's that are Independent and Missionary of the teachings of Alexander Campbell.

It seems more and more to me the actions of the Baptists of 1830's is being justified in splitting from the New School Baptists.

Bro. Dallas

 

Clash of the "ologies"--we do err by not looking at this debate as a young child--unadulterated by the hallowed halls of higher textual criticism and other confusions promulgated by certain institutions of higher learning.

The conflict concerning salvation has been raging since before Cain slew Able. It can be seen in the NT. There were those who insisted that one must be circumcised to be saved. The scripture is very plain concerning this matter: see Eph. 2:8-10. The only work that is involved in salvation is the finished work of Christ at Calvary. It is by His shed blood only that he redeemed His lost sheep.

Sacraments cannot save. Pilgrimmages cannot save. Baptism by proxy cannot save. Joining a church cannot save. Praying to those departed cannot save. Praying to Mary cannot save.

Philippian Jailer: "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Answer: Believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, your household too.

That is a very simple soteriology--even a child can understand.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

"Baptists historically have been defined by polity and other distinctives, not soteriology, a matter over which they have often disagree."

Reply: True Baptists, historically, have been "slurred and blurred"--in histories that were written by those who hated them and attempted to vanquish them. They were drowned, burned, impaled and dashed to their deaths--mostly because of their soteriology. They refused to baptize their infants, believing that baptism has not sacramental properties. They also refused to bow to the holy see, which they considered antichrist.

The "bone of contention" is simple: salvation by faith or salvation by works. The battle still rages. Now it is called Calvinism vs Arminianism, although True Baptists never had much to do with Chauvin or Arminius.

This is not some debatable/agnostic subject in Soteriology 101--it is the crux of the battle for the souls of men which still rages on this planet--between Jehovah and Lucifer. The devil was defeated from before the foundation of the world. The proof of that was at Calvary. The fruition is soon to come.

True Baptists have never disagreed on soteriology--which is a "Doctor" word for Gospel--yes, good news. "Salvation is of the Lord. Jesus paid it all. It is finished."

What have we done with Jesus?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

This is the one piece of General Baptist Doctrine I questioned when we recently joined a General Baptist Church after having been IFB. The way the Pastor explained it to me is that by retaining free will we can make a decision that we no long want the the gift of God's Grace and in effect return it to him. Logically this makes sense to me, since God gives us a choice to accept or regect Him we still retain that choice, and can choose to return the gift after initially accepting it. I do not believe that if we truly seek after God and have accepted His Grace that He would take it from us.

Bill

 

losing ones salvation is a teaching carried in by protestant denominations and catholic individuals, who have converted but cant let loose of all their false teachings.

in the study of the true baptist linage security of the beliver as always been the truth.

its a teaching or belief in a weak God one who isnt all powerful and trustworthy.
you can serve him ill serve the only true God who is all powerful.

be careful of a wolf in sheeps clothing satan loves confusion.

 

RightFromWrong,

As I said this is the one area of General Baptist Doctrine I have trouble with, and I am studying it myself. I will continue to study this and let the Holy Spirit lead me to the correct path. Your post is more about predestition than about the topic of this thread and I am not going down that rabbit trail.

Bill

 

Gee, I always thought 'eternal life' was eternal, not conditional...

In Christ,
Trotter