Who are the Arminians?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by mandym, Jul 14, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    I keep seeing the label "Arminian" being thrown around on this board like its candy. But I have yet to see any evidence that one exists. Just who are these Arminians and what qualifies them to be labeled such?
     
  2. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2005
    Messages:
    9,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    Baptists who are not Calvinists are likely not Arminian. I call them simply non-Calvinists.

    If you want one criterion it is that all Arminians believe one may lose his salvation. Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, Wesleyans and many Pentecostal groups fit the category That's why Baptists for the most part are not Arminian.

    There are a couple of Baptist groups which could be classified such. Free Will Baptists and General Baptists would fit the bill.

    So if you want to look for one definition, it is that Arminians believe in falling from grace.
     
  3. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think they were a rock band back in the 60's, not sure. :laugh:
     
  4. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thought it also included those among us who deny doctrine of "irresitible Grace"

    And election as cals see it as being?
     
  5. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    Where did you get that from?
     
  6. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    Wasn't that one of points against Calvinism?

    Prevelient Grace to all, common Grace, NO irresistible Grace to jut the elect!
     
  7. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can you name Armianians on this board?
     
  8. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    Moderators DHK and Skanklion for 2, I think!
     
  9. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    Would all Arminians please post and be recognized.
     
  10. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    They told you they were Arminians?
     
  11. humblethinker

    humblethinker
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,285
    Likes Received:
    0
    Really? What have you read that ever gave you the idea that they believed that losing salvation was possible? I would be surprised.

    I suspect that there are zero Arminians on this BB...
     
  12. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0

    Bump////////////////////////
     
  13. God's_Servant

    God's_Servant
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2009
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    0
    Arminians are usually defined as Christians who believe in a synergistic salvation, and disagree with most or all of the five points of Calvinism. They believe in election based on foreseeing. This is the definition I usually hear.
     
  14. mandym

    mandym
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is completely in error. The opposite of Calvinism is not Arminian.
     
  15. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    0
    Let's at least be clear, Article 5 of the Remonstrants does not qualify that salvation can be lost, rather it states uncertainty with regard to the matter. I say allow people to define (label) themselves if they see fit. I do agree, "Arminians" are a bit more synergistic in regards to salvation than are Calvinists.

    Article 5

    That those who are in*corporated into Christ by true faith, and have thereby become partakers of his life-giving Spirit, have thereby full power to strive against Satan, sin, the world, and their own flesh, and to win the victory; it being well un*derstood that it is ever through the assisting grace of the Holy Ghost; and that Jesus Christ assists them through his Spirit in all temptations, extends to them his hand, and if only they are ready for the conflict, and desire his help, and are not inactive, keeps them from falling, so that they, by no craft or power of Satan, can be misled nor plucked out of Christ’s hands, according to the Word of Christ, John 10:28: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” But whether they are capable, through negligence, of forsaking again the first beginning of their life in Christ, of again returning to this present evil world, of turning away from the holy doctrine which was deliv*ered them, of losing a good conscience, of be*coming devoid of grace, that must be more particularly determined out of the Holy Scripture, be*fore we ourselves can teach it with the full persuasion of our mind.
     
  16. Benjamin

    Benjamin
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    4,875
    Likes Received:
    109
    Here's a good definition:

    Remonstrants, 1610

    Article 1.

    [Conditional Election - corresponds to the second of TULIP’s five points, Unconditional Election]

    That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son before the foundation of the world, has determined that out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who through the grace of the Holy Spirit shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath and to condemn them as alienated from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: “He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that does not believe the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him,” and according to other passages of Scripture also.
    Article 2.

    [Unlimited Atonement - corresponds to the third of TULIP’s five points, Limited Atonement]

    That, accordingly, Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, died for all men and for every man, so that he has obtained for them all, by his death on the cross, redemption and the forgiveness of sins; yet that no one actually enjoys this forgiveness of sins except the believer, according to the word of the Gospel of John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And in the First Epistle of John 2:2: “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
    Article 3.

    [Deprivation - corresponds to the first of TULIP’s five points, Total Depravity]

    That man does not posses saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as in his state of apostasy and sin he can of and by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is necessary that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, and will, and all his faculties, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me you can do nothing.”
    Article 4.

    [Resistible Grace - corresponds to the fourth of TULIP’s five points, Irresistible Grace]

    That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).
    Article 5.

    [Assurance and Security - corresponds to the fifth of TULIP’s five points, Perseverance of the Saints]

    That those who are incorporated into Christ by true faith, and have thereby become partakers of his life-giving Spirit, as a result have full power to strive against Satan, sin, the world, and their own flesh, and to win the victory; it being well understood that it is ever through the assisting grace of the Holy Spirit; and that Jesus Christ assists them through his Spirit in all temptations, extends to them his hand, and if only they are ready for the conflict, desire his help, and are not inactive, keeps them from falling, so that they, by no deceit or power of Satan, can be misled nor plucked out of Christ’s hands, according to the Word of Christ, John 10:28: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” But whether they are capable, through negligence, of forsaking again the first beginning of their life in Christ, of again returning to this present evil world, of turning away from the holy doctrine which was delivered them, of losing a good conscience, of neglecting grace, that must be more particularly determined out of the Holy Scripture, before we ourselves can teach it with the full confidence of our mind.
     
  17. Benjamin

    Benjamin
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    4,875
    Likes Received:
    109
    Nice timing Quantum...

    :thumbsup:
     
  18. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    0
    :applause::applause::applause:
     
  19. John Toppass

    John Toppass
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,052
    Likes Received:
    7
    No need to call me non-Calvinist just call me a believer-in-the-scripture-as-it-was-written.

    Tho, I do not believe one can lose his salvation or salvation is gained by any works of the saved, and I believe salvation is available to all who accept it. These were scriptual long before I or any Calvinist I know or have heard of were even born including J Calvin himself.

    Calvin had nothing to do with my salvation or what I believe so I need not to be defined by his followers as "non" just call me Christian. Yeah thats it call me Christian.
     
    #19 John Toppass, Jul 15, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 15, 2011
  20. Luke2427

    Luke2427
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    8
    Mormons also desire to be called Christians.

    As do Jehovah's Witnesses, United Pentecostals, Open Theists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox.

    They all claim to believe the Scripture too- just like you.

    How can we tell you from them?

    We can't if you have no identifiable theology.

    You just believe the Bible just like the United Pentecostals do!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Loading...