Who are the Palestinians?

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  1. robycop3

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    We see the "Palestinians" mentioned almost daily in the news, but just WHO ARE these people?

    It's clear that after Rome conquered the Jews in 70 AD and 135-6 AD, that the entire land was called "Palestinia", which is Latin for "Philistia". Some argue the Romans used this name to insult the Jews & to try to eradicate any memory of them in the area, while others say it was to recognize the Philistines who had stayed true to Rome during the Jews' revolts.

    I don't believe the "insult" theory because the names "Samaritan" and "Amalekite" were much more insulting to the Jews. This was well-known to the Romans.

    The last conflicts between Jew and Philistine in Scripture occurred in the 700s BC during the reigns of Uzziah and Hezekiah. Then, the Philistines, as did all the other nations in the area,(Except Judah) became part of the Assyrian Empire. Unlike the Jews, they didn't resist either the Assyrians nor the Babylonians who supplanted Assyria as the rulers of the area, and thus were allowed to remain in their own land.

    There is little record of the Philistines from the days of Babylon onward through the Roman Empire, so we must assume they continued to live on under the successive empires. They were certainly known to the Romans, who supposedly gave them the "Holy land" after they drove the Jews out.

    Some say they were absorbed into the surrounding peoples, same as the remaining Jebusites were absorbed into the Jews after David conquered them, while others say they lived on after the Roman Empire, while mixing with other peoples, especially the Arabs, who ruled the land for quite a while.

    There is no doubt today that most Palestinians today have some Arab blood in them. But we also see Jews of almost every hair color, complexion tone, & eye color. And there's no doubt that the Arabs have added much fuel to the fire of the Pals' claim to the land, saying the Romans gave it to them over 1800 years ago.

    Zechariah tells of future dealings between the Jews and the Philistines. Now, who else could the Philistines of today be? There is no record of their either being destroyed nor being removed from their land. Almost certainly, the non-Jewish people whose ancestors have lived in "Palestine" for generations have Philistine ancestors somewhere in their genealogy. And we know Scripture is 100% correct.

    Zechariah says Ashdod will be occupied by a foreign race & that God shall cut off the pride of the Philistines. This has come to pass, as Ashdod is now the 2nd-largest port of ISRAEL, and a busy ISRAELI recreational area & tourist attraction. To the Philistines are a foreign race; the Jews are Semitic, while the Philistines are not. The Pals know they can never get Ashdod back, nor any other of their five principal cities of old-Gaza, Ekron, Ashkelon, Gath. They are no match militarily nor economically for the Jews, and indeed their pride has been brought low.

    Remember, God has said He will bring back Israel as well as Judah, and I believe this 100%. Whether WE are sure of where the Ten tribes are today, GOD is sure, and He is also sure of whom the Philistines are. Almost all info and signs point to today's Palestinians.

    WHAT SAYEST THOU?
     
  2. Matt Black

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    Some of them are Christians who can trace their ancestry back to Jesus' time.
     
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    True.

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  4. robycop3

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    Jesus died for Philistines as well as Jews.

    The Philistines are mentioned in Zechariah's prophecies, so they MUST still exist, no matter what they're now called. The famous agnostic Robert Ingersoll, a former Baptist preacher, lost his faith 120 years ago because he just couldn't see Judah being a nation again. But I BELIEVE GOD, and just because the resta Israel' ID isn't positively known today, doesn't mean GOD doesn't know it. In His time, Israel and Judah will be one nation again, and I believe many of today's Palestinians are descendants of the old Philistines. I would like to discuss any opposing views, if there are any here.
     
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    I don't know you can make any solid claim.

    The Philistines disappeared from history after their conquest by Nebuchadnezzar, and there is no record of their return after the Achaemenid Empire conquered Babylon. It also is true that the old Philistine cities were Persian after they were rebuilt.

    Some Philistines were transported to Babylon, and it is likely others remained in their own haunts, as some Israelites and Jews did. How many? I don't know, but I get the impression that the Philistine population was not so large — given that they were concentrated in coastal cities and probably depended on superior military technology rather than numbers.

    I don't know that today's Palestineans have any special claim to Philistine heritage; like most people of the area, they are descendants of many ethnic groups. The Philistines, so far as I know, were non-Semitic in origin, and they seem to have left little behind in the gene pool.

    Recent studies of some genetic markers "reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times."

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  6. Matt Black

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    The only similarity as far as I can tell is in the shared etymology of the names.
     
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    Look at the last paragraph on pg 893 of rsr's link.

    "The Palestinian population reveals the closest genetic distances with Jews...It is evidenced that Palestinians/Greeks distance is high and confirms the different genetic background of the Greeks, who have received a substantial sub-Saharan gen flow."

    You might also want to skip down to the Discussion which starts on the bottom of page 895. It's pretty interesting, especially the parts about the Greeks - thanks rsr.

    It really looks like more than just a name.
     
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    I'm impressed you made it that far; it's pretty dense reading. There are some other studies that I'll try to find.

    The working theory, so far as I understand it, is that the Philistines were non-Semitic peoples, as evidenced by some words they have left behind and by their archaeological remains. In fact, it is thought that the Philistines were related to the Cretans.

    The genetic study referenced would put both the Palestinians and the Jews close to the Cretans — but not the Greeks. In fact, if one accepts a Cretan origin of the Philistines, one notices that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to the Cretans (based solely on this one study, of course) than the Cretans are related to the Palestinians.

    A plausible conclusion would be that the Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to the Philistines (if the Philistines are indeed of Cretan derivation) than are modern Palestinians.
     
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    They are all brothers through Shem, Ham or Japheth.

    Then there was Hagar and Abrahams's first born: Ishmael. The progeny of Abraham's son of the covenant, Isaac, and Ishmael's off-spring are still having quarrels over the promised land and the boundaries thereof.

    Probably won't get settled until Jesus returns.

    Selah,

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    Or could they be Amalekites?
     
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    The Palestinians are a mixture of various ethnic groups over the past few thousand years.
     
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    Some may be Edomites on the East side, near dead sea. Others may be Cretans on the West side, near Gaza area.
     
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    They have the spirit of the ancient Amalekites.
     
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    The PLO ambassador to the United States was on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" this morning and he is a Christian.
     
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    Have the "Palestinians", as we know them, ever ruled a land of their own?

    If so, where and when?
     

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