Who are YOU married to in God's eyes?

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  1. dianetavegia

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    The 'One Flesh" threads bring up this scripture:

    Quick Disclaimer: I've never had sex with anyone but my husband.

    Is ONE FLESH and HOLY MATRIMONY the same in your opinion and can you support or dispute this with scripture?
     
  2. donnA

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    So does it mean who ever you've ever had sex with you are joined together with them?(only my husband also Diane)
     
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    Sex is not marriage. Having sex doesn't make one married. If it did, any prohibition against fornication or adultery would be nonsense. There would be no such thing ... it would simply be "getting married."

    The "one flesh" relationship speaks of the emotional bonding that takes place in a physical relationship. It creates a unique bond that nothing else does.

    In terms of marriage, the physical is only part of being "one flesh."
     
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    I've heard that taught Donna but also remember the scripture about leaving and cleaving. A one time sex partner doesn't get that committment in my understanding.

    Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    Matt. 19:5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."

    Let's say Lucy's husband had sex with someone before marriage. Mary was a virgin. Is Mary NOT married to this husband who repented of his sex before marriage because he's married to the other girl who may or may not have been a virgin? Following that line of thought... who would be married other than 2 virgins?
     
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    I started my post and had to step away Pastor Larry so forgive my out of sequence thoughts.

    I agree with you here. I think scripture is clear.

    Diane
     
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    It opens up a can of worms. Such as: Whom was Abraham married to in God's eyes? Sarah or Hagar, or both? Whom was David married to in God's eyes. And then there's Solomon, with his multitude of wives and porcupines. What about people who are victims of rape of sexual molestation/abuse?

    "One Flesh" is primarily a spiritual condition, not primarily a physical condition. I agree with Pastor Larry's comments above.
     
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  8. Plain ol' Ralph

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    I wonder if those consider making a mock at sin and it's cohesive factors?

    I'm afraid yall are too liberal in your thinking to understand the scripture, I know that sounds mean, but I am only trying to open your eyes concerning the actual meaning of these passages regarding these subjects.

    Yall actually remind me of a bunch of hens cackling about the next scattering of grain; each sounds promising, but none are sure when and where the grain will fall.

    Take the time frame in consideration, that will give a better picture to these passages. Remember, there was a time when sex and marriage went together.
     
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    To answer the question, The one and only I said "I do" to.
     
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    But Ralph, what about those who had others before they said I do?
    Do you always put down people and call them naes that you disagree with?
     
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    I agree Diane
     
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    No one's here mocking sin. The OP is a worthy topic for discussion. Perhaps you might want to consider refraining from your standard piety speech and actually engage in some healthy discussion on the topic, rather than putting on your holier-than-thou hat and accusing everyone (except yourself of course) of being sinners.
     
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    Ralph, you remind me of the joker standing on the corner in the Bible who was praying "Lord, I thank you I'm not like that man" when the sinner was over on the other side crying out for mercy. You may mean well, but your posts are degrading and at times borderline libel. You're not so pious, my friend.

    I am married to my one and only wife of nearly 21 years.
     
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    Exactly, if not before, then during, like Solomon, David, Abraham, etc.
    Yes, DonnA, he does. Just check out any of PoR's posts. Many of them are self-righteous in nature. Too bad, too, because PoR has demonstrated comprehension skills capable of contributing positively to most of the threads he posts in. I guess some people just like to hijack, hit and run instead.
     
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    I wish sex was still aligned with marriage. I hate to say that in this day and age, people have lessened the physical aspect of marrage and made it something that people do for sport. And they are starting at younger and younger ages.

    In my own naive little world, I would think that if I married, and I married someone who remained pure, that we would live in our own little "leave and cleave" world. That would be the ultimate.

    At my age, thinking that could be reality is a bit far fetched. Hopeful, but far fetched. So what happens to my "leave and cleave" mentality then?
     
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    1 Corinthians

    7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

    7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

    7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

    1 Thessalonians

    4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

    4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

    4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

    4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter: because that the Lord [is] the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

    4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

    4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.


    It is clear that one flesh is husband and wife, the person you made a covenent with God, I am not judgeing anyone, I not only had sexual relations before marriage, but also conceived a child out of wed-lock, at the time I was 17, now I am 30, I was married July 4th 2003, we all make mistakes in our life, and sometimes step out of Gods will . Doing so does not condenm us to hell, fortunatly God will forgive those who repent, and get back to the strait and narrow road.
    I would also like to add that my wife was a virgin when I married her, and an illistration, or objective lesson that I am reminded of in a youth seminar dealing with sexual purity, I remember the speaker comparing a virgin girl to a rose, then pass ing around a rose having every bot pluck a petal off it, when it was down to the bud, without any pedals, he then handed it to the last boy, and said this is your wife. something to think about.
     
  17. dianetavegia

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    Excellent analogy Rooster. Thank you for sharing your testimony with us.

    Diane
     
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    Thank you Rooster...your honesty in the above post has helped me more than you know!! [​IMG]
     
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    Not to "knock" your testimony, Rooster, but now you invite the following question: Since conception ONLY falls under the guise of Holy Matrimony, what then does becoming one flesh mandate? Does God see you as taking advantage of this out of wedlock conception? Or does he mandate that you are actually obligated marital-wise to that father?

    I know many have made that mistake, I confess i "just didn't get caught" (so rail on me, ok?), but I belive we've gone down the road of imorality so far, that there is no real understanding of virginity being the command of God and anything goes this day. We can wriggle and wiggle all around the issue, but the scripture is clear, we should avoid,(at all costs) fornication, not only is it sin against our own body, it's sin against God. :(
     
  20. Rooster

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    I assume that my daughter will pay for the sins of her father, I agree with you:
    But its too late to undo the mistakes I made in life, the best I can hope for is, God being faithful about forgiving my sins past, present, and future, and to genuinly feel bad about sinning agianst God, repenting my sins to him, and trusting that if I turn from my sins that he will forgive me.
     

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