who can preach?

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  1. freakpastor

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    We have a situation in our church where a young man is a gifted speaker/preacher, but due to the fact he has been married before, he is not allowed in the pulpit. While he is an active member and well thought of, the deacons hold to the qualifications in Tim 3. However, this young man is not seeking a position in the church. Would it be appropriate to allow him in the pulpit on occasion? Paul used a different word for preacher in Tim 2 than he did deacon and bishop in Tim 3. What in your oppinion is the difference?
     
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    I may not have this right ,it also depends on how legalistic your church is but my understanding is that the qualifications your deacons are applying are for pastors,bishops(same as pastors)and deacons.Teachers,preachers,and evangelists do not fall under this interpretation.
    Also there is a school of thought that says the husband of one wife means ,not a polygamist.
    There are all sorts of places to go and stop with this issue.
     
  3. Johnv

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    There's no "one size fits all" answer. Each church is allowed to decide these things for themselves. Some feel that scripture can be interpreted to forbid remarried men from being pastors. Some feel that scripture can be interpreted to forbid single men from being pastors as well. Some make a distinction between being a pastor and being a pulpit speaker. Some don't make a distinction at all.

    The bottom line is, each church is allowed by the authority of local autonomy to govern themselves in these matters.
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] AMEN Johnv
     
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    Freakpastor, I believe that this young man should be given a chance to speak, considering you have stated that he is a gifted speaker. I don't believe he should be the head pastor of a church, but I beleive he could be a second man or a youth pastor. If he's available and is a Godly man, divorced or not, I would possibly use him. There is a lack so great today that we need good men preaching. One failure should not stop someone from serving the Lord. I've seen it all too often in churches. If the young man is right with God, serving the Lord, is a gifted speaker as you say, pray about it. If you have peace, use him. God will give you the correct guidance on the subject.

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  6. Bro.Bill

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    And in the meantime there are many other preaching and teaching opportunities available. Call the activities director of any nurseing home it will be easy to set up regular services.
    How to do a service in a resthome or retirement home:
    1. 1st time give a personal witness.
    2. Sing a few hymns. Even if they can't follow along they love to hear the hymns. Don't worry about your voice, sincerity counts for everything.
    3. Bring a good biblical gospel message.Opening and closing with prayer.
    4. It is very important to take time to visit with as many who attend as possible, you may be the only visitor they get.

    Good luck with your young man.God bless you and him.
     
  7. Steve P.

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    Please don't take from or add to the Bible it says just what it means. A person that has two living wife's cannot Preach or be a Decon. Stay with the old paths or let Hersey in the
    church. It's plain and simple If something causes confusion it must be wrong. "Because God is not the author of confusion". I love the Bible and what it stands for "TRUTH" Lets keep the truths true until his return. And each Church has responsibilty to hold to this and not let down there guard no matter what even if the person is a good speaker or not! not even if he's a brother in law a brother or friend. Don't let situations in life change the truth. The Bible was the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever it will never change and thats why I love it so. It won't let us down if we will hold it up.
    Praise God
    Love, Steve
     
  8. USN2Pulpit

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    I appreciate your position, and agree wholeheartedly with your view of the authority of scripture. But I'm not sure I agree with the above statement.
     
  9. Gershom

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    The qualifications in 1 Timothy are the qualifications of an elder. The role of pastor and the role of preacher are not necessarily one and the same. He should be allowed to exercise his gift and if that is the gift of preaching, then let him preach.
     
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    I am with you on this one.


    WHOA!
    Where does the Bible talk about "two living wives?" Please provide the Scriptural Passage that introduces this thought.
     
  11. Dr. Bob

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    No - don't discuss the marriage/divorce/remarriage issue here. If you want to start another thread, go for it. We have a number on the topic - do a search.

    And on topic - preaching and pastoring are two different things and we would do well to keep them separate.
     
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    Dr. Bob,
    Good point. I wondered when someone would present it. Thanks
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  13. Steve P.

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    And on topic - preaching and pastoring are two different things and we would do well to keep them separate.
    So you think God would call someone to Preach but not have the authority to paster a church. God does everything with completeness, we must understand that Gods plan is perfect. There is no separating the two.
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    Steve p.
    Answer : yes I do&gt; How about an evengelist.What about people who preach in jails,prisons,retirement homes, rest homes,street preachers...ect..ect..
     
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    Should have edited that sorry.
     
  16. Steve P.

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    I am talking about God Called Preachers. Not the ones that chose to preach on their own.
     
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    Now Steve, you're from the south... you know we call those guys "Mama Called", LOL
     
  18. Gershom

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    If I'm not mistaking, the Bible says "if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." Then it goes on to give the qualifications of holding the office. So what is this "calling" you speak of? Is it the desire in a man's heart that compells him to believe he has been "called?"

    That aside, you're confused in that you cannot see that pastoring and preaching are not the same. But you're not alone. Been that way for many years, and sadly, to the detriment of the church and the gifted men who are forced or shamed into sitting down and being silenced.
     
  19. Steve P.

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    Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    Acts 16:10 - And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them
    Romans 10:14 - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    Romans 10:15 - And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of
     
  20. Gershom

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    All wonderful verses. But any man can use these as proof texts that he is "called." My favorite is Isaiah 6:8, but that refers to Isaiah's calling and not mine. It gives me a tremendous desire when I read it to go out and preach the Gospel. Does that mean I am "called?" How do you know?

    Isaiah 61 is also a most touching verse for a man who desires or feels the pull to preach. But it's also prophetic toward the Lord Jesus Christ and His ministry while here on earth. Did God annoint you? If so, then how? What was the process?

    Acts 16. Paul was absolutely personally and audibly called and chosen by the Lord to preach. Was it the same for you? Did you have a vision or a Damascus Road experience? If so, how?

    Romans 10:14-15. Thank God for preachers of the Gospel! But how does this define one being "called?"

    Interested in your explanation of your statement "I am talking about God Called Preachers. Not the ones that chose to preach on their own."

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