Who is driving the bus?

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  1. James_Newman

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    We have a bus ministry at our church. The Lord blessed us recently with a newer bus, 72 seater in excellent condition, praise God! It needs a little work and TLC, but it came with a list of rules posted at the front of the bus that we have adopted. One of my favorites is 'The bus driver is authorized to assign seats'.

    If this creation were a bus, who would be the driver? I'll tell you who is driving. God is driving. He has always been in charge, and He will always be in charge. There is not a thing or person who is not subordinate to the will of God. God not only had foreknowledge of everything everyone ever did or will do, He planned it that way.

    Matthew 10:29
    Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

    Proverbs 16:33
    The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.

    If God were not in control of everything, He could hardly make statements like this:

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    He is even in control of the rulers of nations. No king ever sat on a throne without the ordinance of God.

    Daniel 2:21
    And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

    Proverbs 21:1
    The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

    Romans 13:1
    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    We are told to submit to authorities over us, because THEY ARE ORDAINED BY GOD. We don't give them authority over us, God does. A king is answerable to no one but God.

    Ecclesiastes 8:4
    Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

    David understood this about Saul, even though Saul continually sought to kill David.

    1 Samuel 24:10
    Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee: but mine eye spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he is the LORD's anointed.

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this:

    by what authority do you say this?
     
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    Well, let me see, Constantine (An Emperor...KING) asked for 50 Bibles. Guess that would make the MV's legit, too, then, wouldn't it??? So, What is your point James? I could post all those same verses from the MV's. :eek:

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    Also, James, would you please point out to me where your logic and understanding of these verses point to the KJV being the ONLY VERSION of the Word of God. I just can't seem to find that in my Bible. I mean, there was the Geneva Bible, the Bishops Bible, the Coverdale, etc., and they were every bit as much the Word of God. Please, feel free to explain.

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    I have no problem with most of your post James - but how can you possibly use it to say that God has ordained the KJV more than any other.

    Anyone could use the exact same post to support their own version.
     
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    God is driving the bus, but He is getting a whole lot of interference from the patients :( .
     
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    James,

    Does this

    that you think "modern versions" work together for good?

    If so, how can you oppose them?
     
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    "No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this:
    by what authority do you say this?"
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    The authority of other rulers authorizing other bibles ofcourse.
    On 27 Oktober in Rotterdam a new translation of the Bible for use by all, believers&unbelievers Jews&Christians, will be presented to her majesty the queen. Naturally the Jews will be using the Old Testament only edition.
    For those among you who have no clue, I'm talking about her royal highness queen Beatrix of the Netherlands getting the first NBV Bible that has rolled of the presses.
    Throughout history numerous Bibleversions have been authorized by monarchs. From the pope authorizing the updated Vulgate during the council of Trente, to the stadshouder of the republic of the united Netherlands authorizing the Statenbijbel, to the current queen doing the same with the NBV.
     
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    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this:

    by what authority do you say this?


    By what authority did the AV translators create a new translation? The Geneva Bible was a fine translation.

    By what authority did Blayney use to change the AV1611 in 1769? What was wrong with the AV1611?

    By what authority do KJVOist use to claim that the KJV is the only right bible? Where is the scripture that says KJV?

    Have you ever read the Message to the Reader in the AV1611. I think that this would help you understand why we must always keep the Word in our common tongue.
     
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    Disclaimer: I'm not NIVo [​IMG] Or anti-KJV [​IMG] Just liked AVL1984's idea of those verses from a MV. I could have posted from 20 something versions in E-Sword, but that may have been over doing it a tad ;)


    (Matthew 10:29 NIV) Are not two sparrows sold for a penny ? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

    (Proverbs 16:33 NIV) The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.

    (Romans 8:28 NIV) And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

    (Daniel 2:21 NIV) He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

    (Proverbs 21:1 NIV) The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.

    (Romans 13:1 NIV) Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

    (Ecclesiastes 8:4 NIV) Since a king's word is supreme, who can say to him, "What are you doing?"

    (1 Samuel 24:10 NIV) This day you have seen with your own eyes how the LORD delivered you into my hands in the cave. Some urged me to kill you, but I spared you; I said, 'I will not lift my hand against my master, because he is the Lord's anointed.'


    Oh, BTW, I have truck licence, bus authority, and most important of all: taxi authority [​IMG] And cabbies know everything ;) :D
     
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    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that.

    So the HIGHEST AUTHORITY is your own opinion and tradition? Explains a lot.
     
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    Doesn't the RCC church use the same reasoning?

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    James Newman:No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible.

    Yes, we CAN...there's NO PROOF.


    I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that.

    How do you have it? Instant Messenger? Fax? Phone call? Western Union? Private "vision"? Whatever it is, it's not public.


    My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?

    I'll answer when you tell us by what authority, besides that of KJ and Archbishop Bancroft, that the AV translators made the AV 1611.
     
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    The same authority by which you ask the question.

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    James Newman said "No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the King James bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?"

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the Geneva Bible. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the Latin Vulgate. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain Westcott and Hort's Critical NT. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the NIV. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?

    No one can argue that God DID NOT ordain the publication of multiple versions. I have it on the HIGHEST AUTHORITY that He did just that. My question to anyone who would say we need a better bible is this: by what authority do you say this?
     
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    Hey, maybe we should move this to the Calvin/Arminian Forum? Debates over a sovereign God in control belong there.

    But He even allows strange illustrations on the BB to give me a chuckle this morning. Thanks for the laugh, brother.

    And God bless your bus ministry. [​IMG]
     
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    Ok, so now we can all agree that we are our own authority in such matters. You guys say that you believe the word of God, but rather than submit to it, you continually look for the REAL word of God. If you really believed the word, you wouldn't think so lightly of rewriting the bible every 2 days.

    Revelation 22
    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    I would not even presume to take the responsibility of translating the bible upon myself. I fear God. When he gives us a warning, we are meant to take these warnings to heart, and believe them, and obey them. Do you believe this passage is a warning to you? Or you are so sure of your own knowledge and intelligence that you would rather risk the plagues than have to submit yourself to someone elses (in your opinion inferior) translation of the word?

    We are in the last days, Laodicea. Laodicea essentially means 'rights of the people' doesn't it? You all have the right to read any version you want, you can believe any trash you want to believe. I suppose you even have the right to retranslate the bible over and over until you feel it suits you. And if I stand up and say different, I'll be stoned, because I'm violating your rights. That doesn't mean I am supposed to keep quiet, rather I will take a stoning. I have the same rights.

    You guys are all correct, every bible version that ever fell out of a printing press came from God. God is in control of everything. That is not the point. The bible says in the last days, there will be many false Christs. Are these from God? Yes. Are you supposed to follow them? No. If God delivered us a bible by the order of a king, surely that must hold more authority than the latest scribble from the seminary translation club.

    1 Kings 22:23
    Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

    The Lord can certainly allow (ordain?) many bibles to vomitted into existence, that does not mean that His will is for us to comb through them picking out the verses we like in this one, and going to this other version for the next verse. That falls right in line with heaping to ourselves teachers (is that scratching I hear?)

    The Highest Authority (as if I should have to explain myself) is the Word of God. If the Word of God says that God is in control of Kings, then God was in control of King James when he authorized the KJV. God may be in control of everyone who puts out a new bible version, but that person has no authority of their own. If the claim to be doing it by God's authority, they will have to prove that one from scripture. A King, on the other hand, does not need to prove anything to us. We are subject to him, not the other way around. I know what your thinking, 'I'm not subject to King James. I'm an American, and we don't bow down to anyone!(rights of the people)" Great, you do what you want, I'm going to follow God.

    You may ask, 'James, what is the point of this?' The point is simple. God gave you everything you needed to follow Him and know His will when He provided you a Bible in English and made it accessible to the common man (thats you, by the way.) The Lord is coming back soon, and He wants us living for Him and working for the rewards He promised us. This whole controversey is really just one more way for Satan to keep us busy arguing endlessly with each other, rather than going out and doing God's work bringing souls to Christ and exhorting brethren to live holy. God wants us to visit the widows and the orphans, He wants us to preach the gospel, He wants us to keep His commandments.

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    John 14:21
    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    If you say you must keep translating the bible because you love the Lord, where is that commandment? Surely He told us what he wanted us to be doing in His word...
     
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    Yes, and he said it would be preserved to all generations. Seems funny that for 400+ years we've been using outdated English in the form of the KJV. Wow...guess the Lord doesn't keep his Word, as the KJV isn't in todays English. Hmmm...what a shame. What about that James?

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    I'm glad you saw the humour in the illustration, and it was intentional. I am not above mirth [​IMG] But I think that we are all going to find out the truths of these matters very soon, and I think God is going to be very displeased with a lot of Christians. I pray I am not one of them. Many people say that KJVO is a divisive false doctrine. It is impossible though, for us who hold this to be true, to keep silent, because we fear for our brothers who are being led astray by false doctrines. We are all going to stand before the Lord and give an account...
     
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    Please, you assert there are false doctrines...show some of them. Please. I would like to see them.

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    I'll buy you a dictionary brother.
     

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