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Who's the "Church"?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Singer, Aug 22, 2003.

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  1. Singer

    Singer New Member

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    This was from another forum and is posted by one who has left the 2x2 (Way)
    Organization that I grew up in. Keep in mind that much emphasis is put on
    the form of preaching, worship and ministry (to be more like Jesus) in this "Way".
    Notice how this feeling parallels with that of Catholicism......and that's what
    this person is fleeing from after seeing the light.
    This system of 2x2ism is exclusive as Catholicism is exclusive and puts more
    emphasis on getting in and staying in their systems than they do on accepting
    Jesus Christ (having the Son). "Whosoever has the Son has life".

    The good News is that Jesus never came to set up a church or ministry -
    and salvation is not about finding 'the true church' - it is about finding Jesus -
    seek and you shall find - who are we seeking? a group of men or woman who
    believe that people must believe in their ministry to be saved - or Jesus - I think
    it is obvious that it is talking about seeking and finding Jesus, not a
    group of people or church.

    My Bible tells me there is one church that is made up of born again believers
    regardless of what denomination they belong to. Christians who accept Jesus
    as the Lord and Saviour make up the Church or Bride of Christ.

    What is wrong with different styles of worship - it is Jesus we
    worship not a church's beliefs so I have no problem with the number of churches
    there are as long as they point people to Jesus and not themsleves as the
    2x2s, JW's, Mormons and other cults do.
     
    #1 Singer, Aug 22, 2003
  2. MikeS

    MikeS New Member

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    Regarding Catholicism, I simply reject this statement. The Catholic Church is all about accepting Jesus Christ, and therefore accepting the Church He founded and which He heads.

    This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth". This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.
    Lumen Gentium, Vatican II, 1964
     
    #2 MikeS, Aug 22, 2003
  3. Singer

    Singer New Member

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    MikeS,

    The Catholic Church is all about accepting Jesus Christ, and therefore
    accepting the Church He founded and which He heads.

    To borrow Putnam's favorite comment "Hogwash".
    You couldn't stop at the comma could you Mike? Do you see the exclusivism
    in your statement?

    Now tell me what happens if I accept Christ without accepting the Catholic
    Church "that He founded"....?

    I believe the scripture says "He who has the Son has life" (1John 5)
    ..........I don't read anything about "He who has the Son AND
    the Church has life".

    I understanding how it goes to receive the Lord and His spirit, but I guess I
    don't know about receiving a Church. Do I wait for a steeple to form on my
    head so I know when this happens ?
     
    #3 Singer, Aug 22, 2003
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