Why are there so many religions?

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  1. Winman

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    Here is a question for the Cals/DoGs.

    If God is sovereign and controlling every event, then why did he create so many false religions, religions that clearly deny Christ like Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, even Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons?

    Why is this necessary? If men are already utterly unable to understand and believe the gospel and be saved without God's regeneration, why would God need to create these false religions?
     
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    Who said God created them? God didn't force Adam and Eve to partake of the forbidden fruit, and He did not force anyone to create false religions. man did that all by himself.

    Religion is man's attempt to reach God. There have been all kinds of false religion throughout history, each one purposing to find its own way without God. God allowed man to devise their own ways, and the devil has been busy helping this along.

    Does this affect God's sovereignty? By no means. He remains sovereign and knows each detail of it all. Why does He allow it? If God controlled each action we would be nothing more than automatons and incapable of choosing to love and worship Him.

    Or maybe I am just using too much common sense for an automaton.
     
  3. donnA

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    if false religions are sin, then your accusing God of sin.
     
  4. Alive in Christ

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    I know that "Cals" means Calvinists.

    What does DoGs Mean?
     
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    Are you denying the sovereignty of God? If so, you need to repent.

    If you really are asking this question in sincerity, you need to re-read the bible. It gives answers to this question quite frequently.
     
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    Hyper Calvinists believe that it all comes from God. This for me is too far. Not worked it out fully and never will I guess.

    Romans 1 say's God gave us ( mankind ) over to base things.
     
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    Winman, this is utter blasphemy. As usual, you are accusing God of unrighteousness. Boy, if I was you, I would be fearful of falling into His hands.
     
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    "God is not author of confusion." 1 Cor. 14:33. That is the word of the devil--to confuse, deceive, and to cause people not to know what the real truth is by giving them so many different religions that don't agree and by causing dissension among believers.
     
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    Do you deny scripture... that God is sovereign?

    Man created the false religions, because of their depraved nature.
    God didn't need to, man created the false religions because they are enslaved to sin and satan.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Simple! The freewill of those GOD has passed over.
     
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    You are no different from anybody else, you blame God for everything about a fallen world.
    You point to Him as the culprit for everything, make Him the author of sin and blame Him for it.
    You simply show yourself to be a real descendant of Adam, to your very core, rotten and full of maggots.
    Adam blamed God for creating Eve whom he blamed as the secondary source of his disloyalty.
    Everybody else's fault but mine, he said.
     
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    Maybe this could be asked in a different way. If God effectually calls men to believe the gospel, why didn't he effectually call them to believe the doctrines of scripture correctly so that believers don't disagree on various points of Christianity?

    In other words, if God's act of regeneration will irresistibly cause a lost man to believe Jesus is Lord, then why wouldn't it also irresistibly cause a lost man to believe all his Lord's doctrines correctly?

    Understand?
     
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    Below are a couple of paragraphs I wrote some time ago about the dilemma of man in general after the fall and without the Revelation of GOD.

    The Dilemma of Mankind

    Man is a self-conscious or rational being. He is aware of his existence. He is able to interact and communicate with other men. He recognizes something within himself that distinguishes him from other creatures. That something is his personhood. He is able to discern and perhaps contemplate that which he may call ‘good’, in a moral sense, in the world about him. He is also able to discern that which is less good even ‘evil’ in his world. [It must be recognized that there is a wide disparity between what might be termed ‘good’ and ‘evil’ among different cultural groups.]

    It is a fact of history, it is a proven by man's own observations; death is the inevitable conclusion of all life, whether plant, animal, or mankind. Therefore, throughout time mankind has been faced with the inescapable knowledge of his own death. Insofar as man knows he is the only living being with the ability to reason about the past, the present, and the future, and to contemplate his own death. It is likely that rational mankind has throughout time pondered the question, why do all living things die? What is the cause and origin of Death? Where does man go to find the answer?

    Faced with the inevitability of death mankind is then faced with a dilemma. If death is inevitable is the end of man’s existence as a person inevitable? Just as rational man has wrestled with the certainty of death he has likely wondered about the possibility of life after death. Philosophy has no answers. Science can only say that the ravages of disease and age take their toll on the natural ability of living cells to replicate themselves; death is the inevitable outcome of life. Is there an answer to man’s dilemma? Is the short time that man lives the sum total of his existence, other than the memories or offspring they leave behind?

    If death is a mystery the possibility of existence after death is more so. Mankind in general must either accept that his existence as a person will end in death or he must speculate on the continuation of existence after death.


    Man’s Response to His Dilemma

    Unable to resolve the dilemma in which he finds himself mankind throughout history has, at least historically and by necessity, looked outside or beyond himself and speculated on the existence of supernatural, or in the least super human, beings for an answer to his dilemma. However, it must be conceded 1] that not all men are rational and 2] even the mind of rational man is corrupted by his nature.

    What began as speculation, in time, developed into religion and subsequently worship. That man has turned to religion of some form or other is certainly verified by history. Historically man’s religion and worship has taken many forms. His gods are as varied as his imagination; ranging from the super humans of the Greco-Roman culture, to the grotesque forms of the Middle East, to nature itself. The worship of nature or the gods contained therein is perhaps the most common form of worship varying from animism among the more primitive peoples to the pantheism, often including a belief in reincarnation, of the Far East.

    Modern man is not markedly different from ancient man, though his gods may be. He is certainly more elegant in defining his theology or lack thereof. Science and technology are popular modern gods. Evolution, a pseudo science, is also a popular god of the day though in reality many pagan religions espoused some primitive form of evolution. Humanism, the idea that man is sufficient unto himself and therefore claiming to be atheistic, is another currently popular god, very closely related to the gods of evolution, science, and technology. Environmentalism, a modern form of pantheism, is the god of many and appears to be rapidly gaining new adherents. Some, thinking themselves more learned or sophisticated, fall back to the position of agnosticism or ‘know nothing’. Strangely some of those who perceive themselves to be most learned and sophisticated have aligned themselves with the most unlearned and embraced the god of atheism. Yet modern man with all the advances that have been made in science, in medicine, in the quality of life, is still faced with the same dilemma that man has historically faced, the inevitability of death and the unknown that lies beyond.
     
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    Of course God did not create any false religions. These are deceptions from Satan that man falls for due to his inherent rebellion against God and desire to believe something that gives him credit (because all false beliefs give credit to man based on some sort of works righteousness or ability to "perceive" the truth).
     
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    Why should He ? Can you answer the question as to why should God even bother to save anyone ?
    Is He under any obligation to ?
    Did He reject man ?
    Did He disobey man ?
    Did He transfer His loyalty to another ?
    Why, skandelon, should God even save anyone ?

    Answer that !

    You still don't get it, do you ?
    That's why I never believed for an instant you were ever once a serious Calvinist, or that you actually had a little understanding of the Doctrine of Grace.
    He doesn't regenerate just every "lost" soul He has a fancy to.
    He elected each one of them before the foundation of the world, knew whom He will show mercy to, wrote their names in the Lamb's book of Life written from before the foundation of the world, set His mind to redeem them, and then regenerates them at His own time and will.
    It is not random.
    It is a very specific work, for specific individuals, for a specific purpose, and they are the ones who will find His grace irresistible.
    Read Romans 8:29-30, and understand the "whom-them" principles.
     
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    the religions he names are not christians, so theres nothing for them agree on.
     
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    This is called a red herring in the debate world. Its when someone doesn't want to address the question being presented so he presents new questions of his own. I've never claimed God is under any obligation to save anyone and if he wanted to save a select few as Calvinists teach, He certainly could have. I just don't believe that is what the scripture teaches or the Spirit within me affirms. Now, your turn to answer my question. See if you can do that without changing the subject again.


    Never suggested that He did...read it again...slower this time.

    Yep, sounds like Calvinism to me. I never challenged a single one of these point. I guess you just didn't understand the question. Read it again.
     
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    Please explain how an arminian view is any different on this issue?

    If God has regenerated the arminian, after she/he exercised their "free-will" to come to Jesus in faith, and they now have the indwelling Holy Spirit, why do Christians, or even arminians among themselves, disagree on certain issues of scripture?

    I understand you are focusing on the "irresistiable call" or "effectual call" of Holy Spirit, but once Holy Spirit indwells does He not guide our understanding of scripture?

    You seem to be confusing the act of regeneration with the act of sanctification (whereby a person matures in their faith and progressively understands more and more of what God has revealed in His Word)

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Attempt #2

    What does "DoGs" mean.
     
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    Doctrine of Grace
     

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