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  1. Matt22:37-39

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    Stop Thomas Kincaid and Matthew Warren (Rick Warrens son) from committing suicide?

    If God has a plan for His children, and He "works all things together for good" then was their "plan" fulfilled and that is the way God ordained for them to go home?

    Seems kind of contrary to His nature don't you think?
     
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    Why didin't God stop Adam from sinning, and bring sin into his creation?

    God has a sovereign Will/plans/purpose, and he will bring that to pass, and he allows them to make "bad decisions" and also decreed that he will bring good out of those things, and will be the comforter and restorer, and will work all things per His plans and purposes!
     
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    I think of Job. Here was a man who Satan wanted to torment; and God said, "Go ahead." Job's children were killed, he lost almost all his holdings, and suffered physical torment.

    In line with your question: Does that sound contrary to God's nature?
     
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    the friends of Job thought so!
     
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    (Job's friends had the mentality that if bad things happened to you, then it's because God is punishing you for unconfessed sin; they didn't think it was contrary to God's nature at all, and they couldn't understand why Job wouldn't confess and ask forgiveness)
     
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    So you all are saying SUICIDE is ok then, because it is one avenue God planned for someone to die?
     
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    no, rather that God has determined that something good shall result from that bad choice made!
     
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    I agree with you but obviously there are many who do not who feel God ordains every move a person makes saved or not. That He ordains HOW we die.

    This cannot be true seeing as it doesn't make sense...hence my op
     
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    would say the the lord has the exact time/method in plce for his saints to depart and be with him, and that we can take confidence that our lives areaccording to His plans and purposes!

    So a believer really doesn't pass away from 'accidents/coincidences!"
     
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    What is your purpose here in view of this statement that you made in another thread.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1976032&postcount=58
     
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    No, I don't think God's nature is contradictory with His own scripture.

    I think you have an underlining assumption here in your OP that need to be addressed and perhaps then you can answer the question yourself.

    That is unless you are just baiting people with your OP and your OP really isn't what you believe.

    You are assuming in the OP that God's "working out all things for good" (as you interpret it) require Him to prevent these things or that since He doesn't prevent these things that it must be His "good" plan for people to kill themselves.


    Either way - faulty assumptions.

    Things like this don't happen because God planned it before time began for a human being - in despair - to blow their brains out. Things like this happen because we live temporarily in a fallen world and people make their own choices in life and in death.


     
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    just seems that the person thinks god 'owes them" something, that it was his fault it all worked out as it did!

    And her ex "not getting off scot free" as God will be dealing with him!
     
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    Brother, I'm not following you. Did I miss something? :flower:
     
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    Thank you my point exactly...and yes this post was for those who believe GOD CONTROLS EVERYTHING....He doesn't!...He can't without contradicting Himself
     
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    I'm not saying God planned it that way; I'm saying God allowed it. It may not make sense to you or me. But consider: the lowly infantryman knows only that some general many levels above him has sent down an order saying that the soldier has to guard a bridge. One bridge. It doesn't make sense to him, but it's the situation he's been given.

    Meanwhile, the general who sent the order down has maps, charts, reports, and more that tell him this one bridge is the key to winning a major battle that could decide the outcome of the war.

    The soldier doesn't have the "big picture." But the one who created the plan for us--God--does.

    In the end of Job's story, Satan failed to get Job to curse God. Job defended his bridge, and God rewarded him tenfold for it.
     
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    Lets tackle this one issue at a time. God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass because He is sovereign. God allows men to do evil in His eyes.

    Suicides bring the physical life and opportunity for salvation to a close. We do not know if these two individuals were saved or not, only God knows. If they were, then they are in a better place, thus God causes all things to work together for good, for those who love God.

    But does God cause us who love the Lord to enjoy "the good life" while here on earth, never having a child commit suicide, or suffering from cancer or on and on. Of course not. But if we are saved, then the surpassing glory of our secure future makes small potatoes of our earthly afflictions and suffering.
     
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    OK, but we are taking suicide last I checked suicide was FINAL...Job didn't die through all he went through so not sure Job is the example you all should be using?
     
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    OK, Van so what you are saying is God doesn't choose when and how we die? he just knows when and how?
     
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    THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE

    Question: "Do we have an appointed time of death?"

    Answer: The Bible tells us that “all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be” (Psalm 139:16). So, yes, God knows exactly when, where, and how we will die. God knows absolutely everything about us (Psalm 139:1-6). So does this mean our fate is sealed? Does this mean we have absolutely no control over when we will die? The answer is both yes and no, depending on the perspective.

    The answer is "yes" from God’s perspective because God is omniscient—He knows everything and knows exactly when, where and how we will die. Nothing we can do will change what God already knows will happen. The answer is "no" from our perspective because we do have an impact on when, where, and how we die. Obviously, a person who commits suicide causes his own death. A person who commits suicide would have lived longer had he not committed suicide. Similarly, a person who dies because of a foolish decision (e.g., drug use) “expedites” his own death. A person who dies of lung cancer from smoking would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had not smoked. A person who dies of a heart attack due to a lifetime of extremely unhealthy eating and little exercise would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had eaten healthier foods and exercised more. Yes, our own decisions have an undeniable impact on the manner, timing, and place of our death.

    How does this affect our lives practically? We are to live each day for God. James 4:13-15 teaches us, “Now listen, you who say, 'Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.' Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.'” We are to make wise decisions about how we live our lives and how we take care of ourselves. And ultimately, we trust God that He is sovereign and in control of all things.

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