Why do we NEED a physical body in the next life?

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  1. billwald

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    What CAN'T the angels do with their spiritual bodies on the earth that we will be doing in the next life?
     
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    because we will be the SAME person, difference is now we have had our physical bodies given to us by God glorified!

    it keeps the continuity, as we are the same!

    And jesus was raised as such, and we are "mirrored" after Him!
     
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    Because if you do not it denies the atonement of Christ! How? If Christ's body had stayed in the grave then DEATH WOULD BE THE VICTOR. The same is true in regard to our bodies:

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    Our new body will be more than it is now. Now it's corruptible and can get sick or die, but in heaven our new body will be incorruptible and cannot get sick or die. I'm sure there will be other improvements, but I can't say without scripture to use.

    All bodies there will be perfect with all deformities, imperfections, and scars gone. Missing legs, arms and other body parts will be replaced (internal organs too? I don't know but possibly), and I believe we will all be slender since fat is an imperfection. There will be NO imperfections there.
     
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    You got it! The other improvements are listed in 1 Cor. 15:42-44.

    1. Incorruptible versus corruptible
    2. Honorable versus dishonorble
    3. Power versus weak
    5. Immortal versus mortal

    Then there is the question of a degree of visible brilliance as one star outshines another.
     
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    In heaven, we will only be spirits. We will not get new bodies until Jesus comes again, at that time the dead will be resurrected and those living will be changed in a twinkling of the eye at the same time.
    We will live with our new bodies on the new earth.
     
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    WRONG! The "man" Jesus Christ is now in heaven:

    1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    He wrote this after the ascension of Christ. He did not say "was" but "is" and clearly and explicity said that Christ in his HUMAN NATURE exists in heaven as a "MAN." It was the HUMAN BODY OF FLESH they touched and saw ascend into heaven and the angels said "THIS SAME JESUS" that they saw to shall return just as they saw him go - in a PHYSICAL HUMAN BODY OF FLESH.
     
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    ONLY Jesus is in an incorruptible body in heaven! LOL
     
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    Yes, and it is a PHYSICAL FLESLY INCORRUPTIBLE body just as Jesus asserted that his body was not as a "spirit" but "FLESH" and just as the angels asserted "THIS SAME JESUS" which was the "FLESH" Jesus they handled and saw ascend into heaven.
     
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    You will not even admit error for when I explained to another poster that we will only be spirits in heaven.

    Biblicist,

    This scripture is about you.


    Jude 1:10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals--these are the very things that destroy them.
     
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    One minor problem Moriah - YOUR explanation came from YOUR own hereticall little mind. YOUR explanation the scriptures condemn as coming from "FALSE WITNESSES" You and Seve are heretics and should be treated as heretics.

    You don't deal with any evidence presented against you. You simply ack like a little parrot and simply repeat your false mantra's
     
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    Because a natural body was formed from the earth and given life by spirit (life) from God his creator. That became a living soul, The newly created soul because it had been given life begin to receive data concerning its environment
    and itself. The five senses went to work and it conformed personage and character and memory.

    This memory person which we call, "the soul," exist in a natural body. That is what the living soul person is, a natural body. He died and others who knew him remember him whether in love or hate. We remember the soul who lived but is now dead.

    The natural body.

    Paul asked, how are the dead raised. The dead being the person/soul who died.
    And with what body is that dead person/soul raised.

    That dead person/soul was sown as a natural body.

    Natural ψυχικός , soulish which Westcott and Hort show this as: breath-belonged-of, or in other words needs life from an outside source in order, "to be."

    The soul/person has to have either and soulish (breath belonged of) body for existence/presence or a spiritual body which is eternal, incorruptible.

    Thus Paul says in 2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    For we (persons/souls) know that if our (persons/souls) earthly house of tabernacle (natural, soulish, breath belonged of bodies) were dissolved (dies and rots away), we (persons/souls) have a building of God, (a spiritual house body) an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    The person/soul weather living or dead must put on out house from heaven our incorruptible, life inherent, body from God.

    We will not be not be found naked.
     
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    We will be found naked between physical death and the second coming of Christ. The spirit/souls of the saints are right now in heaven (Heb. 12:25) without either a physical or a spiritual body. They do not get their new bodies until the second coming of Christ at the resurreciton (1 Thes. 4:15).

    2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
    3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked
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    The body that is from heaven refers only to the source of power that transforms the body coming out of the grave on earth from a corruptible to incorruptible, from weak to power, from dishonor to honor from mortal to never dying.
     
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    Actually from verse 4 we (souls) learn that we (souls) who tabernacle in mortality groan, and are burdened to put on (be clothed in) immortality,
    eternal life.

    And you are correct about one thing, this clothing is put on when Christ comes again.
     
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    1 ¶ For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
    2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:



    Paul had the hope he would still be alive at the coming of Christ and that is why his hope was to be clothed upon before he died. This was his "groan" or hope (v. 2).


    3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
    4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.


    Verse 3 His hope was to found alive at the coming of Christ so that he would not be found UNCLOTHED or without a tabernacle for his soul/spirit to dwell in. However, his hope was not realized and he as well as "the spirits of just men made perfect" are in heaven at this very hour (Heb. 12:23).


    Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,



    Verse 4 - Paul groaned to be alive at the coming of Christ when Christ brought the disembodied saints with him (1 Thes. 4:15)

    However, his hope was not realized and we are still awaiting Christ from heaven. When he comes the dead in Christ will be brought from heaven with him and they will realize this hope of being clothed upon by Christ calling their PHYSICAL BODIES out of the grave and being reunited in the BODY OF GLORIFIED FLESH. Then, after that, we which are alive shall have OUR BODIES OF FLESH transformed from corruption to incorruption, from dishonor to honor, from weakness to power from mortality to immortality.

    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [go before] them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
     
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    Will our improved body be fertile and able to produce children in Heaven?
     
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    Mt. 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
     
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    Think biggest hang up is on the word "physical"...

    Bible is NOT saying that Jesus would have blood in his arms, cut him and it spurted!

    is stating from his appearances that he was in SAME body born with, its just that Body had been 'glorified' and transformed into a Body suitable for eternity!
     
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    How did Jesus digest the fish he ate with new and improved body?

    What does marriage in Heaven have to do with the unspeakable word?
     
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    ONLY marriage in heaven is between us and the Lord jesus!

    marriage supper of the lamb!
     

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