Why is drinking,gambling and not wearing 'christian attire' wrong?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by IfbReformer, Mar 25, 2003.

  1. IfbReformer

    IfbReformer
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2002
    Messages:
    708
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi all,

    I know my own answers to these questions(at least I think I do) but I came accross this statement from a discussion in the translations forum and wanted to see what your wise answers are.

    Here was the statement:

    Originally posted by HomeBound:
    "Also, just food for thought, people today that use other versions seem to accept drinking, gambling to be okay and that there is no Christian attire and that music doesn't matter as long as it mentions Jesus."

    Question 1
    Why is drinking alchohal(not drunkeness - thats too easy) wrong for a Christian?

    Question 2
    Why gambling wrong for a Christian?

    Question 3
    Does the Bible list what Christian attire is?

    We will leave the music question for another forum.

    I look forward to your answers.

    Thanks
    IFBReformer
     
  2. donnA

    donnA
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    ok, I give, what is christian attire?
    Maybe it's suitable modest clothing? Or is it something else?
     
  3. Johnv

    Johnv
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2001
    Messages:
    21,321
    Likes Received:
    0
    I gotta know as well. What's Christian attire?

    It used to be in the early 1900's that I couldn't bear my chest whilst swimming. Of course, now that I'm in my late 30's, no one wants to see it anyway ;) .
     
  4. Johnv

    Johnv
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2001
    Messages:
    21,321
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why is drinking alchohal(not drunkeness - thats too easy) wrong for a Christian?
    In and of itself, I don't believe it is. Alcohol is not wrong. Abuse of it is. Of course, that's open to much biblical debate, as demonstrated by those very debates on this board.

    Why gambling wrong for a Christian?
    Same answer. In and of itself, I don't believe it is. Gambling is not wrong. Abuse of it is. That, too, is open to much biblical debate, as demonstrated by those very debates on this board.

    Does the Bible list what Christian attire is?No, except to state that man should not dress in a manner to pretend to be a woman, and vice versa. Of course, like the others, this is hotly debatable, and has been done so on this board.

    If there are any other topics which require a dead horse to be beaten, please let us know ;)
     
  5. Headcoveredlady

    Headcoveredlady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,388
    Likes Received:
    0
    1)Prov 20:1
    2) What a waste of God's money and resources.
    3)1 Tim 2, Romans 12:1-3.

    For number three I notcice there is usually not much difference in the dress of those outside the church and those inside. God is interested in every aspect of our lives. He cares about even the smallest of details. We are to be set apart for Him in everything.

    1 Samuel 2:16 says that man does judge from outward appearances. When you see someone dressed like a harlot you think that person is a harlot, someone dressed as a policeman, you think that person is a policeman. Somtimes we meet people only for brief encounters.
     
  6. donnA

    donnA
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    The bible also says God doesn't judge the outside but the heart, thats the part man knows nothing about someone else, but likes to pretend they do.
     
  7. rsr

    rsr
    Expand Collapse
    <b> 7,000 posts club</b>
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2001
    Messages:
    10,072
    Likes Received:
    101
    Wonder how many pages this will go, given that we're going for a trifecta here.
     
  8. Christian41974

    Christian41974
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Everyone has an opinion. Here is mine. Drinking alcohol (excluding for medicinal purposes) at all I believe is wrong because even if not for Proverbs 20 (Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.) drinking is a bad testimony. It has always been obviously wrong to me. When drunkards get saved they stop drinking completely not just in part. I am a Baptist not a Lutherin. I have never understood how Christians could get alcolic drinks and feel ok with it. I don't know how I could make it through the grocery line without worrying someone I know would see me.
    I believe gambling is wrong because it is being a bad steward with what God has given you. And it is also a bad testimony. Could you picture a Chrstian in an ally playing with dice and then try to start witnessing. I have always thought some sins are self-evident. It is obvious some things are just wrong. My dad used to gamble WHEN he was lost. What little I have heard said about it I gather he was pretty good but when he got saved he quit gambling.
    Dress is a question we all know sparks a fight. But it shouldn't. I have always liked the Scripture Psalms 119:165 Great peace have they which love Thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
    1Timothy 2:9 teaches that a woman should be adorned in modest apparel. I think a man and a woman should dress to please God and not the flesh. There should be no question what we wear is modest. When in church and out of church we ought to dress modestly with our flesh covered. If what you wear shows off flesh and may tempt one to lust than it is not modest. Fashion should not come before modesty. And being modest should not be a problem for any Christian.
    I have not said any of this to offend anyone or to start a fight. I am not sorry though for the truth. May God help us to follow Him closer.
     
  9. Christian41974

    Christian41974
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Kate, the Bible says in Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:...
    Matthew 12:34 ... for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    Jeremiah 17:9 the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    The Scriptures teach what is in the inside is going to come out. So when one sees another doing wrong one may know it is in the heart also. Usually, we do what we want to do. Usually, we make time for what we want to do. If one were to see me cussing or stealing you would think that person does not seem like much of a Christian and rightfully so ,but often times people use the verse you used to try to evade the words of others. As if because of this verse you cannot call my sin "sin" because you can't see my heart. True, but I still see your sin. Actions do speak louder than words.
     
  10. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    If the Christian were God's library, what kind of books would we like to lend out?

    All things can be right, but are they expedient? Do all things to the glory of God.

    Are we being read by the world, and other Christians, they way we intend?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  11. Shiloh

    Shiloh
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    May 2, 2002
    Messages:
    937
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why do "we" like to live on the edge? Example, when I was young my only brother died as a child. My parents loved him very much. My mother kept some of his things in a chest in the attic. Every now and then I would catch my mother looking through his things. Now many years later while with my family visiting my elderly mother I noticed she still had some of my brothers things. Why? She loved him and although he was gone yeas ago she still loved the memories of him and his things. As Christians we should love the Lord to go the extra mile to please Him! Yet there is so many of us that try to question everything in the Book and live on the edge. Man, I might preach that on Sunday!
     
  12. Alcott

    Alcott
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    7,454
    Likes Received:
    93
    From where is the idea that modest has one antonym?-- covered from knees to neck? It has many antonyms... proud, flashy, extravagant, arrogant, ego; and others could easily be thought of. So why doesn't wearing expensive clothes violate this precept of modesty just as much showing thighs and chest? Why doesn't dressing to display character-- like the cowboy image, or to conceal physical imperfections-- violate it? These are for self-image; another antonym of modesty.
     
  13. Ernie Brazee

    Ernie Brazee
    Expand Collapse
    <img src ="/ernie.JPG">

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2001
    Messages:
    843
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why was alcohol wrong 50 years ago among lost epople, but now is accepted in some Baptist circles?

    Where did the morals of 50 years ago come from? Is it true that the lost world had stronger morals 50 years ago than the Baptists of today. Evidence points that this is sad but very true.
     
  14. Alcott

    Alcott
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    7,454
    Likes Received:
    93
    And why was alcohol not wrong among Baptists 300 years ago, but somehow became wrong in the 19th and early 20th centuries?
     
  15. Dr. Bob

    Dr. Bob
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2000
    Messages:
    29,402
    Likes Received:
    12
    I've started a thread (here in General) on the origin of the temperance v abstinence when dealing with alcohol. Worth a look.
     
  16. swordsman

    swordsman
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2002
    Messages:
    175
    Likes Received:
    0
    1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.


    1 Corinthians 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;


    1 Corinthians 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


    1. Each Christian is the temple of the Lord
    2. Do not offend a weaker brother
    3. There is our witness to the lost to consider,there standards for a Christian seems many times to be higher than ours.


    Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

    Now I know that we are not bound by the LAW of the above verse but we are to the spirit of the law.
     
  17. swordsman

    swordsman
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2002
    Messages:
    175
    Likes Received:
    0
    My father in law is lost, there was a christian of many years( a preacher ) that he had a lot of respect for.
    This Christian told them that he won some free tokens for a casino in Cherokee NC, he went and now he has lost all respect for the man as a Christian, he will not take the man seriously as a man of God. My father in law said any Christian that would go there and gamble has no buisness telling him anything about God.
     
  18. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    The little shadows cast are evidence the sun has been blocked by some object. The little indiscretions we live block the Son. It is not always what is right or wrong, but what appears so.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  19. Karen

    Karen
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2000
    Messages:
    2,610
    Likes Received:
    0
    Very, very true. I will say, though, that non-Christian relatives of mine have just used the behavior of Christians as an excuse. Holding them to a standard of perfection and continually moving the standard. This enables the non-Christian to ignore his own lack of a relationship with Christ.

    Karen
     

Share This Page

Loading...