Why no commitment?

If you state that the RT is perfect --

but admit the KJV doesn't fully follow the RT --

then the KJV can't be perfect.

 

You keep repeating this, but exactly what kind of "mistakes" are you talking about?

If you were trying to witness to an unbeliever, would you tell them that every translation of the Bible has mistakes? How would you hope to instill trust in God's word?

 

I guess the mistakes have been well preserved. :laugh:

 

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Why not? And by WHAT authority do YOU decide which are valid & which aint? Remember, there are multiple English meanings for many, MANY Greek or Hebrew words/phrases.
Please. Get real. You know as well as I do that the MVs based on the CT are missing thousands of words, dozens of verses, and entire passages shown in the KJB based on the RT. Why do you persist with this foolish argument?

Cuz the argument is REAL, AS YOUR NEXT SENTENCE SHOWS.

I cannot prove that the KJB based on the RT is the perfect and inerrant Word of God.

But in your very next post ya say,

So, actually, you're GUESSING!

There is the possibility that the CT is the preserved and inerrant Word of God.

OF COURSE there is.

But why won't any MVs stand up for the CT?

Been answered already. Why do ya keep asking? Hoping to get an answer ya like better than the ones so far?

The only commitment the MVs will make is to say all versions are perfect and inerrant. Of course, they talk out of both sides of their mouth and say all versions contain error.

each is perfect for GOD'S intended use.

I've never understood MV logic that can say all versions can be perfect and inerrant and full of error at the same time, but somehow they seem to be able to believe this. It is hard to hold a rational conversation with someone who can believe an illogical impossibility can be true.

"With GOD, all things are possible". Every Bible translation is God's perfect word handled by imperfect men. GOD is fully aware of this, of course.

You know, I thought that one of you MVs would spite me and say they believe their particular version the one and only perfect and inerrant version in English. But you folks just can't do that.

Still waiting for YOU to prove the KJV is. If ya CAN'T, you're just whistling in the wind.

 

The fact that their are no fanatics supports their position.

The fact that there are SO Many fanatics for the KJVO position is a detriment to it.

I recall some kool-aid drinkers a while back who were fanatics too.

A senseless argument in like fashion might work this way- "How come no baptist folks have any leaders they are willing to die for. At least the Jim Jones followers are bold enough to stand for what they believe in!"

That's the same logic as saying, "How come no MVs will declare that ONLY their Bible is the Word of God?"

The answer is because they are smarter than that- smarter than KJVO's by and large.

It is not an intelligent position to say the only version in the English language which is the perfect word of God is yours.

Only KJVO's think that.

BTW, the King James is still my favorite version by far and I only preach out of it.

But I also like the ESV and the NKJV.

 

Winman:No, I firmly believe the KJB is the perfect and preserved Word of God in English.

Butcha can't even BEGIN to PROVE it.

I don't know the exact texts the KJB translators used and don't care, you see I believe God preserved his Word as he said. I don't need to understand exactly how he did this.

I believe the SAME THING, only I DON'T tryta LIMIT GOD as the KJVOs do.

But why is there not one (at least I've never heard or met one) MV that will take a bold stand for a particular MV? I mean, it is totally ridiculous, not one.

With all due respect, Winman, that Q has been answered by myself & several others. Repeatedly asking it is NOT gonna make anyone change their answers. If they're NOT the answers ya wanted to hear, that's just tuff. I am NOT gonna commit to a doctrine of worship NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE, & neither is anyone else who's answered thusly! You can ask the same Q 1000 times & you're gonna get the same answers 1000 times till this thread is closed!

You dismiss this so easily, when it should be saying so much to you. Literally millions of Christians will take a firm stand for the KJB.

I doubt if it's millions, & if they're doing it for the WRONG REASON(S), then wrong is WRONG, no matter what "flavor".
OF COURSE we dismiss it! It's an extrascriptural addition to the total body of worship.

Do you believe us KJB onlies a cult of hypnotized zombies?

"Hypnotized", no, but misguided, deceived & incorrect, YES.

Do you believe thousands of great and learned preachers and scholars all totally deceived?

Well, not TOTALLY deceived, but misguided and wrong about Bible versions, YES.

Winman, you asked a Q & several of us have answered it. Now, willya please answer mine?

Q:"You KNOW there's NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for KJVO. As a Christian, BY WHAT AUTHORITY do ya believe it, seeing as it's NOT FROM GOD?"

 

Winman:Notice the word I highlighted and underlined? Believe. You are a scholar, look it up in your concordance, it is a Bible word, very important one at that.

Actually, I'm NOT a scholar; I'm a steelworker with only a HS ed + a few tech schools. But it takes no rocket science to see you're confusing "believe" with "guess".

 

You misunderstood the illustration. I was not saying that KJVO's are like Jim Jones. I was pointing out the flaw I perceived in your logic.

Your logic seems to work like this: the fact that there are many KJVO's who believe their Bible is the only Word of God in English is support for their position.

I was arguing that it is not support. It is actually a detriment to their position as fanaticism usually is.

As an illustration of fanaticism being a detriment to one's position I chose the Jones analogy. I could have chosen the fans of the Crimson Tide for that matter. But I would not have been saying that all KJVO's are Tide Fans.

You missed the point of the illustration. You made an unnecessary link between the two.

I do stand by the position that the KJVO is not an intelligent position and that the leaders of MVs tend to be far more thoughtful and even educated.

 

So are your KJV's if you have multiple editions.

 

Statements like this is why it is rarely profitable to discuss the matter. You're not capable of debate without personal attacks. Sad.

 

This is huge. In my opinion it may be the most important issue of out day. It goes back to Sola Scriptura.

There has developed over the past century a dangerous doctrine among protestant and Baptist folks. It is that we can develop doctrines apart from the Word of God.

This is the crux of the issue in the music thread, and this one.

The problem is not that they believe that the KJV is the only version. The problem is much deeper. It is that they believe it without a single scripture to support it.

The problem is that we can believe things as doctrine in spite of their absence from God's Word.

 

With all due respect, Winman, I believe your Q has been answered.

And you CANNOT "win" any pro-KJVO argument becausa the FACT that KJVO is entirely MAN-MADE, without one scintilla of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT. For that matter, there's NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for ANY committment to any one translation or text. This FACT dooms any & all pro-KJVO arguments before they're born.

As I asked earlier, I'd liketa know BY WHAT AUTHORITY you're committed to KJVO, knowing it's NOT FROM GOD.

 

I actually agree with you that God has blessed the Majority Text and the TR.

God also blessed the preaching of an ass. But that doesn't mean the only preachers have to be donkeys.

And I do agree with you that God promised he would preserve his Word- but how you go from that to demanding that it is only the KJV- which even the KJV translators did not believe- I cannot understand.