Why pray to Saints? Why do Protestants NOT pray to Saints?

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  1. Jacob Dahlen

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    by Alexei Khomiakov

    The following is a passage from Alexei Khomiakov taken from a letter directed to William Palmer.

    We address to created Spirits not only the homage of our praises, but very earnest requests (as this expression would in this case perhaps be more correct than the expression 'prayers'), asking for their intercession and prayers before the Majesty of our Saviour.

    'Where is the use of such requests? Where is our right to them? Do we want any other advocate but Christ our Lord? There can be no serious meaning in our addresses to created beings, and we may as well reject all those useless and idle forms.'

    There is the question. I will answer it with another.

    Was the Apostle serious when he asked for the prayers of the Church? Are the Protestants serious when they request their brethren (as they often do) to pray for them? Where is, if you please, the logic of the distinction?

    A doubt about the possibility or reality of a communication between living and dead through Christ and in Christ is too un-Christian to want an answer. To ascribe to the prayers of living Christians a power of intercession which is refused to the Christians admitted into heavenly glory would be a glaring absurdity.

    If Protestantism were true to logic, as it pretends to be, I may boldly affirm that not only Anglicans, but all Protestant sects (even the worst) would either admit serious and earnest addresses to saints and angels, or reject the mutual prayers of Christians on earth. Why, then, are they rejected, nay, often condemned?

    Simply because Protestantism is for ever and ever protesting. Because the semi-Pelagianism of Popery and its doctrine about merits and, as it were, self-worthiness of the Saints is ever present to Protestantism. Because Protestantism is not, nor ever can be, free. In short, because of its unceasing cry, 'No Popery', it stands on Popish ground and lives on Popish definitions, and is as much a slave to the doctrine of utilitarianism (which is the groundwork of Popery) as the most fanatical Ultramontanist.
     
  2. BobRyan

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    That is bogus --

    #1. The RCC ITSELF! rejects the idea of "praying to the living". You are not allowed to pray to an uncle living in Spain - not even by RCC standards.

    It is ONLY applicable to the dead!

    So no 'praying to the dead'.

    (Or as Paul calls them in 1Thess 4 "The dead in Christ")

     
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    As my post above shows - the problem in praying to the dead is NOT the problem of "why have Christian pray for one another" as some had hoped. The problem of praying to the dead is much more basic - much more to the heart of true spiritism!

    Pagan prayer methods.

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