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Why "Surrender" now?

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  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200511\POL20051118a.html

    Republicans Question Timing of Dems' Call for 'Surrender'
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    November 18, 2005

    (CNSNews.com) - As anti-war rhetoric erupts in Congress, Republican leaders want American citizens to consider why it's happening right now.

    "Democrats have gone on the attack against the president, and the question we must ask is 'why?' The war on terror is a real war, and we have real enemies," said Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman in a speech in Denver on Thursday.

    Mehlman spoke after Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran and ranking member on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, called for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.

    "Our military has done everything that has been asked of them; the U.S. cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily," Murtha said, adding that "it is time" to bring home the troops.

    Mehlman noted that "dissent is as old as America" and that "questioning our leaders is a patriotic act. No one is immune to criticism -- not the president, and not those who are attacking him."

    But, Mehlman added, "What we need to ask is why? Why attack now? What is the goal? Are the Democrat attacks designed to help us win the war on terror -- or help them win the next election?"
     
    #1 carpro, Nov 18, 2005
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    Good question. What is our goal?
     
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    Why is Dennis Hasert trying to rewrite what Murtha said. Nothing was said about surrendering. Murtha stated that the Mission has been accomplished same as what Bush stated at one time.
    It has been stated that the reason we are fighting terrorism in Iraq is so that we won't have to fight it here. If that is the case then why doesn't George Bush take the initiative and invade Mexico where we are constntly getting bombarded by their thugs here in the U.S.. It is well known that our Border Patrol is out gunned at the Mexican border. Our biggest threat is no longer Iraq --- it is Mexico.
     
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    Murtha may be a former Marine, but I believe he has sold his military soul to the democrat party and is more interested in the next election than he is the welfare of his fellow Marines or this nation.
     
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    Murtha served 37 years with the Marine Corps reseves, recieved a Bronze Star and 2 Puurple Hearts.He retired as a colonel in 1990, has worked closely with Dick Cheney when he was a defence secretary. if you take into account the actions of his past he would be viewed as bi-partisan working in the best interest of our country.
     
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    #6 carpro, Nov 18, 2005
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    In as much that Aljazeera is considered an enemy to our country so can CNS News, they reported the same story.
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member
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    The vast majority or Arabs actually read and listen to Al Jazeera, not CNS.

    It wouldn't be in any news source if he hadn't decided to publicly announce defeat and encourage our surrender on the floor of the House.

    Only a fool would believe the statement he made would not encourage our enemies and perhaps result in the loss of more of our troops lives.

    Motormouth politicians have to learn that there are deadly consequences for some Americans when they decide to play politics in public on this issue.
     
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    Ron Paul
    Walter Jones
    Chuck Hagel
    Wayne Gilchrest
    James Leach
    What do these men have in common with each other?
    Answer: They are well known Republicans who have been outspoken about our involvement in Iraq.
    Why even ol' William F. Buckly has strongly criticized our President about Iraq.
    So it is not only Dems that Republicans need to condem for speaking out, they also have disenters in their own ranks.
     
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    I'll tell you what they don't have in common with Murtha.

    None of them advocated immediate, complete and outright surrender.
     
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    In addition to the Surrendercrats there may be a few Surrendercans.
     
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    Again Murtha never stated surrender. He did say that the mission had been accomplished just as Bush had stated at one time.
     
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    Since when did the French conquer Washington and start dictating foreign policy?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Regardless of his past, he is now a leftist, now one of the hate filled demagogs.
     
    #14 hillclimber, Nov 19, 2005
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    A win would entail conquest of the country and confiscation of the oil. Anything less is a loss.
     
    #15 billwald, Nov 19, 2005
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    Also long term military bases in the country.

    The U.S. Air Force's senior officer, Gen. John Jumper, stated U.S. warplanes would remain in Iraq to fight resistance forces and protect the American-installed regime "more or less indefinitely." Jumper's bombshell went largely unnoticed due to Hurricane Katrina.
    Gen. Jumper let the cat out of the bag. While President George Bush hints at eventual troop withdrawals, the Pentagon is busy building four major, permanent air bases in Iraq that will require heavy infantry protection....

    It seems this is what Jumper has in mind. Mobile U.S. ground intervention forces will remain at the four major "Fort Apache" bases guarding Iraq's major oil fields. These bases will be "ceded" to the U.S. by a compliant Iraqi regime. The U.S. Air Force will police the Pax Americana with its precision-guided munitions and armed drones.
     
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    Nothing new. We are still in Germany.
     
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    nonsense. We have a lot of short term threats that are infinitely more important than the Mexican debacle.
     
    #18 hillclimber, Nov 21, 2005
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    nonsense. We have a lot of short term threats that are infinitely more important than the Mexican debacle. </font>[/QUOTE][​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    That will soon change Hillclimber.
    Oregon is much closer to the Mexican border than you think.
     
    #19 Rocko9, Nov 21, 2005
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    Do you think the Mexican legals and illegals are going to start an uprising? So far they just take mostly the jobs that don't pay too much , but everyone over about 14 works. I do see more and more in construction and dock working jobs though, that pay really good money.
     
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