Why the teacher IS the authority in a class

"If the teacher isn't the one in authority then, pray tell, who is?"

God I would hope. :thumbs:

 

I supose I have been given liberty in this thread to give you a tongue lashing, and you have set yourself up to slap everyone in the face if you so desire.

Yet I will be gentle to some degree. This "rant" you have spent both time, thought, and energy on is probably, in my opinion, one of the greatest waste of your time. In my opinion, it is an utter display of your carnal, selfish, prideful, self-assertive, and arrogant nature. There exists nothing in this pathetic discouse an once of Christian love, mercy, kindness, or patience. It is devoid of the fruit of the Spirit of God and chok full of the depraved nature of man still abiding in you.

If, God forbid, Providence has provided even one pupil to sit under you dictorial instruction, I pray the Lord deliver those sheep from between your teeth. Go and learn what it means to be shepherd since you seem to be setting yourself up as one.

Now, my tone in this reply is harsher than in any reply I have made on the BB so far. If you think yourself a shepherd of God's inheritance, the venom, sarcasm, and lordship I detect in this rant of yours immediately reminded me of Eze 34.

"Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. "

This discourse also reminded me of this verse,

1 Peter 5:2-3
"Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock."

Also,

1 John 1:27
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Now this verse is not to deny teachers given to the Church. But they are gifts to the Body of the Christ, to build them up and strengthen them. This is done, by those whom the LORD sends, in all meekness, love, and humility.

But in your tone you seem to purport yourself as an apostle of Christ and command obedience to your feigned authority. Let none question thee! "Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks"

I say to you, thou "shepherd" of the sheep, get in your knees and gird thyself and wash the feet of thy brethren. This diatribe of yours was a waste of hot air and revealed your nature.

 

Why is it that people can word things so much better than myself? Maybe I'm not "authoritative" enough! :laugh:

Good post...I agree.

 

Well if that were to happen then everyone's opinion in SS wouldn't be validated any more whether correct or not :laugh:.

 

Can a moderator close this thread? It seems that MrM has some hidden agenda to rip up other's thoughts, as displayed in the previous thread.

Have we ever found out about his church? Are you for real MrM!!?

May I suggest a day or two off of the baptistboard, my friend. Oh yeah, and that book that I think you will benefit from!

 

This goes against the priesthood of the believer. And likening one's self as a teacher to Christ Himself is the height of arrogance.

Good Catholic theology, though.

 

It's called hot air and Mr. M is full of it. Behind all of his pompous bellyaching concerning the analytical skills and intellectual ability of his fellow BB members is a man yearning for cogency. In one statement he criticizes those who dare disagree with him "as having tender ears", yet the minute one disagrees with him he acts much like a spoiled child who has been told to share his toys with others. :laugh:

Mr. M, you do realize that "cogent force" does not mean attack the intellectual ability of your oppenent until they deem your not worth the effort, but rather having a sound, rational argument from the start, right? Methinks you have confused the two in your sharp analytical mind..... :wavey:

 

While I my not agree with Mr. M's apparent attitude, why would someone assume that God can't work through an individual in authority?

If the person in authority is godly, why would you assume that God isn't in charge, simply because it's not a free-for-all?

Why would you assume that a person in authority is automatically going to be tyrannical?

I've never had a college class that was a free-for-all, why would our Bible studies be any different?

Now, in most classes, there is room for questions and answers, going both ways, but usually after the class, or on a separate day in the form of a test.

 

You reply to me, point by point as if I actually would to debate you. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wrote simply to rebuke you.

 

Master M,

Let's say you have a young adult in your class who does not particularly learn well via your lecturing. Even if they take notes, their mind wanders and they cannot stay focused. They are figity, and may not be able to sit still for your entire lecture (a shock, I know). How would you "authoritatively" handle this?

What I'm getting at is people learn differently. Some, like the made up person in my scenario, are kinesthetic learners. I honestly doubt that everyone in a single room just by chance all learn the same way....ie. the way that suits your "teaching" style. It is the responsibility of the leader to get to know those in the group, and begin to understand how they learn. This involves actually knowing those people. If you aren't throwing the seed in the way they can catch it, my friend, they won't be catching any of it. Regurgitating your lectures is hardly learning.

You've got to work the soil before you can start scattering seed. I REALLY SUGGEST THIS BOOK: "The Dirt on Learning"

 

I wish it to stay open, that both his diatribe, and my rebuke may stand. But let the mods do what seems best to them.

 

In secular classes, perhaps, I would submit to the authority of the teacher since it will make no difference to the spiritual welfare of people if I didn't get my equations and formulas and simplifications and philosophies right in the classroom, I can always refer to relevant and updated material outside the classroom as long as I have that diploma hanging on the wall testifying to one and all that I am a graduate of such and such a secular institution.

 

I love the word methinks... :thumbs:

 

Uh, where in Scripture does it ever say that in the church, the gifted individuals (all of the twenty-odd gifts) have any "authority"?

I read somewhere about the 'office' of bishop/elder having 'authority', if my memory serves. And as Baptists, the 'authority' rests in the body, not in any 'leader' wannabes, if I get that right.

In my own church, I have more actual 'authority' than any, save the 'Senior' pastor (for he has some specifically delineated in the Constitution and By-laws), as I am the Moderator. I also have the spiritual gift of teacher, but do not currently teach a class, per se, hence would not presume to take any 'authority' from that gift. I do, however, have a little bit in the business meetings. :smilewinkgrin:

And as another pointed out, your 'position' would seem to leave little room for the 'priesthood of believers', as well.

A 'school' setting, not specifically a part of a church body, per se, could be a different matter. Please make that distinction.

Respect for a teacher is one thing; supposed 'authority' to run things as one wishes, is a "hoss of a different color".

As to teachers, in my home church, we, the body, elect 'em; we can just as easily un-elect 'em.

And FTR, as long as I hold the position of Moderator, I will not even vote on any issues, including personnel, except to break a tie-vote, should such occur. Robert's Rules, the Constitution and By-laws, and all that!

Ed

 

A teacher with true authority isn't one who is constantly reminding people he or she is in charge!

I'm the boss... I'm the boss... I'm the boss...

Sounds like a kindergartener having a temper tantrum.

People recognize authority, they don't need to be told...
People recoginized Jesus' authority, without him screaming... "I'm in authority"...

I will follow those in true authority given by God...
But not those posers that have to scream to get their way!

(BTW, Mr M.. my warning still stands from days before... I have no hesitation to hit the ! button, if you continue to badger the good posters on BB...especially the women!)

 

If ever you have to point out that you think you should have authority to others, the chances are they don't respect you enough to follow your lead.

If you are a leader, people will recognize it without needing to be told.

 

Good points men. Anyone who has to say he in charge isn't no matter what he thinks.