The original had run its course. But enlightenment had not. Ed Sutton, J Jump, Brother Bob, Amy. G, His Blood Spoke My Name, and Larry Evans gave comment's after my post, in effect being cut-off also. I'm opening again in order to give what shows to be scriptural understanding in answering a post. Others and I have been cut-off due to necessary restrictions, so this is a reopening of "Will a Christian commit certain sins?" The below of HBSMN is that post not answered and the above needed for proper context. Of course it doesn't make sense when you stop reading, losing the explanation. The complete thought was put forth - Quote "We are now safe in the "Body Church", but not until we are raptured, dead or alive, will we be glorified, not knowing exactly sure what we will be, however we will be like him……..but not until then. We while living in these bodies will still be susceptible to the wiles of the Devil. We are capable of anything and must be vigilant to not believe we are now past being fooled by our adversary." We are not safe from sin. I know paragraphical understanding is difficult for some. The meaning is we, while in these bodies, are still subject to sinning, and can be servant to sin/s for a moment, or short time, but we are eternally saved for we do not live in sin. The Power of God is to salvation even while we live in this sinful world. Is this man the only one in that assemby of unrest, disorder, and insubordination? Ask the question, why had they not taken any action to get rid of this cancer before it ate up this church? There had to be many in this church that actually condoned the actions, for they saw it not a sin in proportion to remove him from their presence. This is a bodily sin that can be seen by the world, and this church must reject this one that is humilating and giving cause for the world to doubt this is a Christian church. We see "things not acceptable to a church" being done in various church's today, and even some Baptist churches. Women Pastors will tear a church, and denominations to shreds, just as will acceptance of the homosexual into our midst. Don't let them in, and if they are in...get rid of them. It just may be that "spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus". Let's take another look at this with other scripture. Paul says are we so "puffed up" not caring such a deed if done in our midst we would not mourn, meaning this would be acceptable to us as Christians? I do not stand, as Brother Bob believes with the thinking of this much troubled church as shown in the books of Corinthians. I would say with him and you (at least I would hope you would), in our "freedom and liberty in Christ Jesus", we cannot condone such action's of Christians overstepping the boundaries set in our "freedom". Should we not admit all Christians are not sensible, some not making sound judgments? Even today such things still continue, for all Christians are not prudent. As we read this scripture we see this immoral one is continuing in Satan's way, so get rid of him and see how he holds up by himself as he continues in his sin. This man will live a wasted life away, and in remorse, from those(his godly family), but he will wish to return realizing his sin (that is forgivable), turning again to Christ Jesus. I'm of the opinion you may not believe, or perhaps not understand Luke 15, which makes it impossible for you to believe a saved sinner is nothing more than a sinner. What reasoning do you give for not believing Luke 15? As long as we are in these bodies we remain in sin, and do fool ourselves if we believe should (God forbid) we ever sin, we will then be lost forever. Please contrast Luke 15 with this one in Corinthians. I don't believe the Bible preaches other than there is but one Judas Iscariot, so let's not try to pin this rap on this guy that has strayed. In both they are all together, then in both one steps outside. God says the one that leaves is part of the family (God gave to Him), and He will go after Him, and He'll not lose any. Can you say God is not able to bring the sinner that needs to return to Him? Is our God completely helpless that one that He has saved won't behave? You and I, Brother Bob, and I'm sure most represented on this board are "those just persons, which need no repentance".