Will the Dems Get Us Out of Iraq?

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  1. Ps104_33

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    Recently a caller to the Rush Limbaugh show asked this question, which is a good one:

    Caller: If the Democrats don't believe General Petraeus in his sworn testimony to Congress, how are any of them going to react as the chief executive when the military comes to them and brings them information to respond to a political or global crisis? What are they going to do, tell the military, "We don't believe you. You're not telling us the truth"?

    And Rush's answer:

    RUSH: No. No. That won't happen. Let me answer. It's a very, very timely and important question asked of the most important person in the country you could ask it to, and this is the answer: The dirty little secret, Charles, is that if one of these Democrats becomes the chief executive in 2009, we're not leaving Iraq, and the military, whatever they tell President Clinton, will be what she goes by. We are not going to get out of there, not with the Democrats in office. You people in the audience, this illusion is purposeful here to show you just how disingenuous they are at this very moment. They have no intention of getting out of Iraq with themselves in charge and the noose of defeat hanging around their necks. Now, the way that they will do this is Mrs. Clinton will get into office... You remember her husband promised this middle-class tax cut throughout his campaign, and within the first 30 days calls this national address (impression), "I've worked harder than anything I've ever worked on before in my life. I tried, but I just can't. They didn't tell me all that was going on here in the campaign. I have looked at the books, and I have discovered we can't afford a middle-class tax cut. I am sorry. I worked hard trying to bring it about, but we just can't do it." They'll do the same thing. Mrs. Clinton will say, "I, finally, as your president, have seen information the previous administration withheld from us, and what I have seen informs me we cannot leave now."
     
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    It's kind of quite in here...in here....in here!
     
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    God will not like you if you keep listening to this dope popping heretic. I think he's the anti-christ...

    Was it all Democrats who didn't believe his testimony or a certain few? Was Hillary one who is on record for not believing (since he seems to think she will be in the White House)? Source?

    How do you separate the "military" from its commander and chief? How can the "military" have information the Chief Executive doesn't have, especially in the broader political or global crises sense? Are you saying Bush believed the “weapons of mass destruction” line he was fed or did he know it was false yet used it to invade another country (against the decision of NATO)?

    Question(s); which came first, the lie or the war? :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

    At what point do we remove the political line of separation, assess the actual situation and do what’s best for America as well as the young men and women in uniform who are giving their lives?
    Why does this war have to be a republican or democrat thing? Why can’t it be an American concern?
    What political, moral or other good can realistically come from this war?
    How many more lives are we willing to donate for this good?
    How many more lives are we willing to give just to "save face"?
    How about your children, can we add their names to the list? And what exactly would they be dieing for?
     
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  4. Ivon Denosovich

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    Hillary Clinton, the DNC flavor of the day, says:

    "America is ready for a leader who will end the war in Iraq. Hillary's roadmap out of Iraq, the Iraq Troop Protection and Reduction Act of 2007, is a plan to end the war before the next president takes the oath of office. But if the Bush administration won't end the war, as president and commander in chief, Hillary will."

    Source here: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

    I could do more research for you but I take it all here are capable of doing it themselves. Yes, all the major Dems want us out. They don't want to leave the soldiers in Iraq without adequate funding and neither do I. Or any other war critic.

    The next time you don't INTSTANTLY respond to one of my posts I'll remember this very effective line. Btw, it's been nearly two days since you responded to this: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43077
     
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    You seem to have some sort of problem. About what I have no idea.
     
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    My problem is that I dislike taunting. But other than that, no problem. For the record, what was the point of:

    "It's kind of quite in here...in here....in here!"

    Just curious....
     
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    I think he will like me even less if I continue to read you posts. You dont like him because you cant counter his cogent points.
     
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    I have to say, LeBuick, the whole God-not-liking-someone-thing is over the top. And I don't support the war or listen to Limbaugh.
     
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    Oh! now you ask! I'll leave you to your ridiculous and preconceived notions based on your hatred for those mentioned in the op.
     
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    Man, don't you have any sense of what constitutes a proper and decent standard. Rush Limbaugh? Conservative and Christian values? Give me a break. I cannot think of many people who epitimze of what Christ was not, this self indulgent, pill popping, arrogant piece of flab.

    Anyway, the next Democratic President will not be able to snap his or her fingers and get out. It will take time. So far, it has taken over four years to get in this mess. Maybe if we had competent leadership at the top, we would have gone to Iraq to win, not to half win and this would not be a problem for the next President. If you are not going to win, don't go in. How many times is it going to take us to learn this?
     
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    You guys may hate Limbaugh, but he is right on. Hillary will not end the Iraq war, after all the work she did to start it.
     
  12. Ivon Denosovich

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    Dearest 2 Timothy 2:1-4,

    Yes, I hate and hate. Which is why I have now said (three times in counting) that I have no bone to pick with FT. Which is why I'm also considering voting for the candidate of your choice.

    Once more, now that it's been worked out of your system, what was the point of:

    "It's kind of quite in here...in here....in here!"?

    If you wish, I'll agree to exit this thread without posting in it again so you can once again have the bragging rights of unanswered silence, you hero you.
     
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    No sir, do not exit. Your opinion is as valid as anyones. This board abounds with people who have doctorates and other advanced degrees who have the common sense of a hat rack.
     
  14. Ivon Denosovich

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    MAYBE I'M ILLITERATE BUT WHO EVER SAID THEY HATE LIMBAUGH AND WHERE?!?

    Besides LeBuick's over the top rant, where is this martyr syndrome coming from? Must your critcis incessantly shower you and yours with praise and adoration before the "suffering" ends?
     
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    What, another one? I thought W. was supposed to be the anti-Christ
     
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    I do not hate anyone, and dont believe anyone said that. RL represents everything to me that is wrong with this world. Arrogance and self indulgence have no place even being associated with anything Christian or moral. I think we can find better examples of people to look up to. In this case, my pet cat is a better example.
     
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    To Ivon....


    Well saturnneptune's post wasn't exactly a valentine to the guy, now was it ? And I think you just want an argument, I gave you no reason to call me a martyr. Perhaps you just jump on things without identifying them first. Happens a lot with newcomers who think they know everything.
     
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    What would indicate that was directed at you? I've read it a couple times and it escapes me.
     
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    If you stay I will have no more than six eggs for breakfast in the morning. Such troubles causes a loss of appetite.

    "Hero"?

    And what does Ft have to do with the op?
     
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  20. Ivon Denosovich

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    Bro. Curtis, I have no idea how our exchanges spiraled down to this. I've enjoyed talking to you. You're right that I picked up on the word "hate." And, yes, I'm willing to aruge over it. And I would fully expect you or any other decent human being to denounce me if I accused you of hating Ron Paul. For the record, I also denounced LeBuick as over the top and I AGREE with his politics. Why not just admit you were wrong to use the word "hate" and go back to having a civil exchange? And, yes, unfounded paranoi of hatred would be the dictionary definition of martyr syndrome.
     
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