Will the Obama administration increase domestic terrorism?

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  1. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Since we seem to have already crowned Barak Hussein Obama our new President I started thinking back on our last Democrat president William Jefferson Clinton. Now I don’t know about the rest of you but for me that was a pretty dark and depressing 8 years.

    I realize that I don’t live in an average part of the country and we have a few more extremist types here. But during the Clinton administration we saw this huge growth of militia groups here in the mountains. We had heavily armed guys building survival compounds in almost every cove. There was a lot more open talk about revolution and the need to purge our country with blood, and of course the rise of the Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph style home grown terrorists. Rudolph was a local and we still give the dumpster tour to visiting tourists.

    With the election of George Bush and the 911 attacks most of that just disappeared. I would hate for it to come back.

    I know James Carville has said that if McCain were elected we would have race riots. Is anyone worried that Obama’s election may lead to more domestic terrorism?
     
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    I belive his VP is.
     
  3. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    You think Joe Biden is a terrorist?:confused:
     
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    What is the reason these groups grow under democratic leadership?

    Is the implication that all forms of national security, the NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Defense all degrade under liberal leadership?
     
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    Not only is it an implication, those are also facts. Check it out, do some homework and look at recent history.

    Don't forget the first WTC attack was under Clinton. For the record, I believe Bush has been too liberal domestically in an attempt to be politically correct.
     
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    So the first WTC attack, where a guy parked a uhaul loaded with explosives in the parking facility would or could not have occurred under Republican or more conservative administration?

    Hind site we always do better but parking a truck was a normal activity at that time.
     
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    Yes. Just look at how the Libs embraced Iran's president/dictator when he came to speak at one of there collages.
     
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    I did not to imply that our ability to find and track these guys would degrade. It might now that you mention it. But with the patriot act our law enforcement agencies now have the power of Nazi or communist secret police only enjoyed previously. I don't think a lack of vigor on the part of law enforcement is the problem at all. Remember Clinton had Waco and Ruby Ridge, our law enforcement was pretty rigorous in both of those cases.

    These groups grow under democratic leadership because their biggest fear is that of our government. Many refuse to pay taxes at all. Their biggest fear is that the government will come take away their guns and they will be left defenseless. They fear they will be imprisoned due to their religious beliefs, they fear their children will be taken away because they refuse to let them attend schools. They won't drink city water because its been poisoned by the government. They won't connect to the power grid because the government will use it to monitor your activities. They won't get a credit card because the government will track their purchases. Many won't get a drivers license or a social security card because the government will use it to track you. They fear any minority race, they fear any immigration.

    For the most part these guys stick to themselves. They do without electricity or generate their own. They have their own springs and many still use outdoor plumbing. You see them come to town in packs to buy supplies and then they disappear for another 6 months.

    Look I am not talking about normal conservatives, these people are the fridge extreme. Many are supremest groups or are associated with religious cults of one kind or another. But we do have quite a few around here. The scary part is they hold it as their right to oppose and overthrow any government they deep oppressive. Mostly that is all talk but every once in a while you get a unabomber or someone like that.

    Perhaps the rest of the country doesn't get anyone like that but I don't think it is only a local problem.
     
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    Interesting commentary on this subject found here:

    http://newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis138.htm
     
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    So there is no chance speaking with them, embracing them or treating them like people, acknowledging them for who they are can win their support thereby reducing the threat of terrorism? How about if we listen to them not necessarily to say we validate their cause but if nothing else to say we listened, clearly understand your position but this is why we disagree, this can't help reduce the tension. You saying the only way to have peace with Iran is to have a gun or a bomb pointing at them?

    I think we should make every attempt at diplomacy before we ever consider a 3rd war front. We need a better road to peace and security for this country than to put our young folks in harms way. We've been doing that for 8 years and it hasn't proved to be extremely effective.

    Before someone says there has been no planes flown into buildings since 9/11, I say there were no planes flown into buildings for 200 plus years before 9/11. We do have white powder envelopes being delivered, how do we know what this will turn out to be.
     
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    This in't the question at hand if I understand it correctly. NC Tentmaker is talking about survivalist, para-military groups composed of extremist US citizens not bin Laden types. It seems to me these people are around and have been for 25 years or longer. They seem to support overthrow of the US government or at least to be prepared to pick up the pieces should it self-destruct or be overthrown by external forces. They got agitated with the Waco situation. Many support secession of parts of the US from the country. To the extent that they support and plan for the overthrow of the federal government they are traitors and should be treated as such.
     
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    I imagine the thought of a black president, to these shrunken head inbreeds, will bring a few of them out from under their stumps.
     
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    I was thinking this but wasn't sure, so these are people who feel they have exclusive ownership to the "American" label. Anything that doesn't think, walk, talk or look like them can't be American.
     
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    Thanks BB, yes that is what I am talking about. And I agree with you. While I support their right to believe what they want once they leave their compounds and start blowing things up they are terrorist criminals and should be treated as such.

    I know we have threats to our country from abroad. That is a separate issue. What I am worried about right now facing what seems to be an unstoppable Obama campaign is an increase in DOMESTIC terrorism.

    I am more worried about another Oklahoma City than I am another 911.

    Does that make sense?

    If it is possible our actions in Iraq or Afghanistan have created a new breed of international terrorists (we can argue that elsewhere to, I am not saying it has, just that there is the possibility it has) then what do we do to prevent our increasingly oppressive federal government from creating a new breed of domestic terrorists.

    Yes Monk and LeBuick, these are the people I am talking about. Look I am not saying they are right. But they can be dangerous. If they feel they have lost their voice, if they feel like their country is being taken from them and they have lost what they view as their rights it could be bad. Like a cornered animal if they feel they are backed against a wall they are going to bite.

    This problem is really the same as Carville’s race riot problem. In an increasingly divided nation how do the victors of this political battle reach out to and include the losers? If they don’t there is going to be blood no matter which side wins.
     
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    Perfect sense... Like Monk said, a Black President, if that happens, would make some feel their country or what they call and see as America has been threatened and will do extreme things to protect it. It's no different than the sentiments against MLK except it's a smaller cross section and they can't be as open about their views. Acting on those feelings will make them domestic terrorist in the same way Ayres gained his label during Vietnam. Many, many, many protested that war but bombings crossed the line.
     
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    I think the potential for a race/civil war is there no matter which side wins the election. The unrest, bitterness, economic woes, a government painfully out of touch with its citizenry, corruption in politics and the voting booth, and much, much more.

    Thanks, WC, for posting your article.

    And then there are the muslim extremist groups/cells here in the US. Of course, the ACLU is their big defender.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23371
     
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    NO NO NO :laugh: I ment his VP thinks he'll be TESTED.
     
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    When Rice became SOC, the most hateful racist attacks came from the intellectual left.

    And thank you, and all the others who keep reminding us what color he is.
     
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    Racism rears its head quite often. Going back to the discussion, many of these nutjobs are racist , (ever heard of the turner diaries?)
    I'm just saying a BLACK president will bring the loonies out.
    The KKK was protesting the debate in Mississippi, now we could pretend it was about taxes and state's rights but we all know why they were there. Beacause a black man was debating that night.
    Racist thugs are waiting in the wings to make some noise.
    Not a reminder that he is black, we all know this by now.
     
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    In my mind, it all depends on the white people of this nation. They've been so used to being on top it remains to be seen if they can accept being under a black man. If they can, it represents another step towards true independence and freedom for America just as the framers of the Constitution had in mind.
     

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