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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Jeremiah, Dec 24, 2002.
If you have children or plan to have them what would you do?
Yes! All my children and grandchildren have their shots.
Both my children had all their shots, the alternavtives and risks are not nice.
I've done both. If I could do it over again, I would have none vaccinated. The overall health of the unvaccinated is better than the vaccinated. No roseola, no ear infections, yet all have had whooping cough. There is no guarantee the immunized will not get the disease.
Childhood diseases run in cycles, rising in strength, then falling. Small pox was on its way out. More need to see the history of these diseases and the history of the immunizations in order to give a better assessment of their positive effects. Another question I wonder about is what was the general health og the people who died of the diseases? And why did some come thru without anything more than lifetime immunity?
I had never had mumps. Some friends have never had chicken pox, but I know some that have had both chicken pox and shingles. Yet the same immunization and dose is given, why?
I've had all the vacinations for my children up to this point.
I think that if the small pox vaccine becomes manditory, I would like to check into the effects of the vaccination before blindly going ahead with it. I've heard doctors on the news, say that some times the vaccination itself may cause illness and in extreme cases, death. So, of course I will look into it should this ever become an issue for my family.
Another consideration is that it is illegal to enroll children in California without immunizations being up to date. I'm not so strongly against immunization that I would endeavor to home school my children to assert my being against something, that at this point seems to be a good thing for the most part.
I do not believe that ear infections are a result of immunization. I have one child that got them several times when he was young, and two that never had even one...they have all had immunizations, so this would not be evident to be a cause of ear infections as previously expressed by another poster on this thread.
Interesting topic. It seems that there are many things that one might ask oneself..." is tampering with health issues going against God's wishes" Just yesterday I was discussing with my family life expectancies at different periods of mankinds development. Is it right to extend our lifetime by medicine? At this point... I feel that the Lord gave us knowledge, and we must decern how we will apply that knowledge as we individually see fit.
[ December 25, 2002, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]
The smallpox vaccination is NOT recommended for people with skin diseases and irritations, severe acne, eczema, etc. In fact, these people shouldn't even be in the same house with someone who's just had the smallpox immunization for at least three weeks after the innoculation.
Makes it tough on the Navy and Marines....
Chickenpox is far more serious for older people; yet we innoculate our children, and the innoculation only lasts for around twenty years. After that, you're pretty much fair game for chickenpox--at the time when it could be most detrimental to you.
The chickenpox vaccine, contrary to popular myth, is not made from aborted fetuses. It was initially developed using tissue from aborted fetuses, but they haven't used fetuses for the actual production for twenty years.
Innoculations. Like many, many other things, as the apostle Paul wrote: Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Do your own research. Don't go blindly into anything.
Smallpox innoculations were the norm when I was a child and I know of no adverse effects. The scab on the shoulder was a major inconvenience until it eventually dropped off. Todays scare tactics are akin to the overblown y2k scare. Better to be protected than listen to the scare mongers.
As I said in a post about this on another thread:
God provided a way for us to be protected use it.
Reminds me of a story;
Man was sitting on the roof of his house surrounded by flood waters.
"Lord, save me, get me off this roof".
Two men stopped a boat and offered to take the man to safety, but he refused saying he was waiting on the Lord.
A helicopter hovered over him same thing, "I'm wating on the Lord."
The man again cried out to God,"Lord save me!"
A voice came from above,"I sent a boat and a helicopter what more do you want?"
God provides a means of safety for us but we are unwilling to accept what he has provided thinking we know more than He.
I found an article in the Star-Ledger, a Newark, NJ newspaper listing several statistics on small pox.
*There has not been a case of smallpox in the US since 1949. The last reported case was in Somalia in 1977
*There is no medical treatment for samllpox
*Death may occur in 30 percent of the cases
*The vaccination lasts for about 20 years
*You must have prolonged face-to-face contact to spread it. Or, in direct contact with body fluids or contaminated materials, such as clothing.
*There is enough vaccine to vaccinate the entire US population
*1-2 people in a million will die from the vaccine
*People who are most susceptible are those with skin conditions and weakened immune systems
Things we need to consider are:
*People are going to be vaccinated for the first time, therefore they will shed more viral particles increasing the risk of contaminating others.
*Todays society has more people susceptible to infection, AIDS, cancer treatment, organ transplants and burn patients, and others with weakened systems that weren't an issue in the late 1940's
*The first to receive the innoculations will be health care workers. They are the ones who are exposed to the most susceptible. People with asthma are also listed among the more susceptible
The vaccine can be avoided. But, how can we avoid the vaccinated?
Dr. David Baskin, Professor, Baylor College of Medicine was on CSPAN today and showed the horrible link between mercury levels (80% of shots are ethyl mercury-based) and autism. Made you sick.
Perfectly healthy children destroyed by 100 times the EPA mercury level (in ONE shot; some babies get as many as 9 shots at one time!!). Sat with my grandbabies on my lap and teared up, thanking God over and over that they have not been so poisoned by "immunization".
Believe that one day in the future, people will look at immunization the way we do at leeches and bloodletting and wonder how stupid people could be . . .
Dr. Bob,which ones have such high levels of mercury? Which ones are actually that dangerous?
Thanks for any info you have,
Thnk-you Dr Bob. Tears come to my eyes every time I think of how I allowed some of my children receive them. I also well up when I can't seem to say it right, and more just won't believe the dangers
Both my children had their shots and have never had any of the problems you say they did.
Absolutely not. Why would I poison my child whom I love? Isn't he the cutest little guy...
I wonder how many people who wouldn't vaccinate their kids have had them circumcised?
Sometimes I'm really confounded by reasoning. What?
I'm curious of the mentality of people who would not vaccinate as a preventative measure, but would circumcise as a preventative measure. Wouldn't that be hypocritical?
I vaccinated. I only wish there was a vaccine for chicken pox back then.
BTW, I even took the swine flu vaccine.
Circumcision in hospitals is another one of those "expected" to be done. If I would have known, my oldest son would not be. My younger three are not. It is another of those things that ignorance plays a part in. The dangers are high, as is the giving of vitamin K, for this specific reason. This is another "shot" that I am opposed to.
Circumcision doesn't involve the injection of mercury, viruses, and bacteria into the bloodstream.
But circumcision is performed in the hospital, most often before the 8th day. Therefore, a shot of vitamin K is given to prevent bleeding. This shot is connected to blood diseases, namely leukemia. Jaundice also increases. The babies liver is too immature to handle the vitamin K, as is the intestinal tract.
Interesting reading on this: