women teachers

Thank you so much Annsni for posting that. I especially like that Baptist pastor's statement that:

That is, of course, exactly what happened.

As I have repeatedly shown, even Fundamentalist Baptist churches were welcoming women teachers in the early twentieth century.

Brooklyn Daily Eagle ad, 1931:


Here's Miss Cristabel Pankhurst, teaching on Bible prophecy.

Sixth Avenue Baptist Church, a Fundamentalist Independent Baptist congregation

And a Washington Post article, 1940:



Miss Amy Lee Stockton teaching on "Today's Task and Tomorrow's Triumph".
This was her twelfth appearance at the church.

Yes, this is Metropolitan Baptist Church, now known as Capitol Hill Baptist Church (Pastor Mark Dever); according to their website the church has always been "doctrinally conservative".

 

Unless it's a women's Bible study or one of those Bible studies churches put on to convince the unsaved, "Hey, we're nice people. Jesus is really cool.", then, yes, I have a problem with it.

It's not a matter of ability. It's a matter of role.

Better to have a mediocre man teach than an outstanding woman.

Not necessarily. You might need to find another Sunday School class, but not necessarily another church.

While the Bible is abundantly clear that women are not to teach men, it's not heresy (now, if we're talking a woman pastor, then, yes, you need to leave). I wouldn't attend that Sunday School class and I would make my concerns known to the pastor, but if the church is teaching sound doctrine and meets other Biblical criteria, then I wouldn't have a problem staying in the church.

On the other hand, if it's really a thorn in your conscience, especially if you feel that it's going to cause a division between you and the church or that your disagreement is going to cause division, then it would be better if you left.

Sorry if that doesn't make any sense. I'm on enough cold medicine to bring down a bull elephant.

 

If that's all I can get, I'll just stay home and do my own studying.

 

Yes, I must admit you are right!

On the other hand the book I mentioned does have many references to the Bible verses on the subject.

 

My husband is the spiritual leader in our home. He is following scripture and doing the right thing by putting us in a church that we believe adheres as close as possible to scripture.
That includes putting ourselves under the guidance of our pastor, who is a learned man and in the position of guiding the church and teaching us what he has learned.

I find that makes very good sense!

I'm a little thrown here. Why are you connecting the male s*x drive with mommy issues? EW! That's sick! If any man is connecting these thoughts with his mother, I hope that man seeks some really good mental healthcare.
I've gotta repeat this...EEWW!

 

Your Hebrew professor is teaching in a seminary, not a church. Big difference, in my view, Jim.

I can anticipate the response--Yeah, here's a brilliant Hebrew scholar, and you won't let her use her teaching gift in church.

Actually, she can teach all the women and children in the church.

The brilliance of her gift is beside the point.

 

You fail to separate God's teaching and cultural runoff. Check out thoroughly the story of Phoebe, the stories of Ruth and Esther, and many more women leaders of God's people.

Check out the problems with particular women in that church. Why don't women to-day have long hair, as that same scripture intones? Why aren't wives silent..and I mean silent, as that scriptures supposedly teaches, and get their information at home?

By he way, going back to what you said, it would be ok for a woman to preach the word to men at home, just don't do it in a church. I got your point, and we should be wearing sandals and long gowns. Women should be sitting in the balconies.

Cheers,

Jim

 

For those who think women are not to teach men...

Are you people saying a woman is prohibited from ever teaching a man anything? anywhere? anytime?​

...Bob

 

The Scriptures are plain on this issue. Some just think they're smarter and more wise than Almighty God and His Word. I'll stick to the Book. No women teachers or preachers for us. The next step for these churches is ordaining of h*m*sectuals. Not all, but to many, yep.

 

Are you saying that women in your church do not wear makeup, curl their hair, or speak in congregational gatherings, according to Scripture?

 

I have sat under many a woman who taught the word of God and did a good job. Same with a man.

I have sat under many a woman who couldn't teach the word of God. Same with a man.

If they don't teach well or the right things, I go to another class. If there is consistently bad teaching, I go to another church.

 

Here is a free online book in PDF form on the subject

Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood - A Response to Evangelical Feminism

 

The following verses are most often explained away as having been applicable only to the culture in which they were written:

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel...

 

F,F. Bruce on females in scripture:

http://www.christchurchreformed.com...03 (014 Female Pastors and Homosexuality).htm

 

http://www.cbeinternational.org/

link for a perspective from the other side

 

Jim1999,
From the website referenced above, the authors who quote F.F. Bruce also point out the dangers of extending human logic further and further...