Women Teaching Men

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  1. Michael Wrenn

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    For those who believe that the Bible prohibits women spiritually teaching men, what do you do with this statement: "Whereas others found woman not qualified or authorized to teach, the four Gospels have it that the risen Christ commissioned women to teach men, including Peter and the other apostles, the resurrection, foundation of Christianity."
     
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    It's from a book called "Woman in the World of Jesus". I can post hundreds of statements from books that call Jesus a fraud. Should we believe those too?
     
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    Never reject truth or wisdom regardless of who brings it into your life.
     
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    Charles Spurgeon preaching on Mary Magdalene:

    "Mary became AN HONORED MESSENGER OF CHRIST TO THE APOSTLES. I feel it no small privilege to be the means of bearing God’s message to this congregation. It pleases me when I know that many gray-headed Believers, who know far more of experimental Truth than I can be supposed to know, have nevertheless been comforted by the message which my Master has sent to them by me. But what an honor to have a message to the Apostles! Oh, the power of Divine Grace! Mary, once a demoniac, becomes a preacher to preachers! I dub her Doctor of Divinity, indeed, for she has to instruct these mightiest of messengers in the faith!
    Note the message. Did ever man preach a better sermon than this woman preached?
    Had ever minister a more weighty text than this Magdalene had to handle—“I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God”? Angels told of the incarnation, but Magdalene told of the ascension. She must be made to do, alone, what a company of angels had been made to do before—to proclaim another step in the Savior’s pathway to redemption!. . . .I shall leave the matter in the hands of the Holy Spirit. May the Lord raise many a Mary Magdalene in the midst of this Church, for His name’s sake. Amen."
     
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    I don't care where it came from; that's not the point. The point is that what it states is the truth.
     
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    Why do you believe this statement from some random book over what is said in the Bible? Why is that when people want to justify their cultural beliefs that they look to any source they can, all the while ignoring what the Bible says?
     
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    My friend. Let's becareful on how we apply our hermeneutics. Even if the bible did allow some women to teach men, like Priscilla and Phoebe. Then it is only Priscilla and Phoebe that can teach men.

    We can't just dismiss the rest of scripture when we think we found a verse or a passage that supports our view.
     
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    Is it true or is it not that the Bible says, in all four gospels, that Jesus first appeared to a woman, or women, after His resurrection, and that he commissioned them to go and teach the apostles about it?
     
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    I don't know about you or anyone else, but when Jesus gives an example, I believe we can and should follow it since He is the founder of our faith.
     
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    Not it isn't true. It is stretch of your imagination. The Bible doesn't say anything about Jesus commissioning anyone or telling them to teach anyone. It simply tells us that Jesus told the women to go tell the apostles what was going on.

    If I tell my 6 year old boy to go tell my 9 year old boy some piece of information, I'm not commissioning my 6 year old to teach the 9 year. I'm simply having him relay a message.

    Heck, I could use my imagination as well and say that Jesus was simply utilizing the woman's strength of gossip to his advantage! :laugh:
     
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    My friend. You are creating your own theology on such a wonderful sign that we can believe what the apostles recorded was true.

    Jesus appeared to the women first of validating truth of the message. During that period and culture women were second class citizens therefore any testimony they gave meant nothing. Worse were men who claimed the testimony they received as truth were from women. The apostles had to be telling the truth of Christ resurrection because of the shame and ridicule they would endure in admitting they received their information from women. If the apostles were lying then they would have lied about who they received their information from as well.

    Testimony is not equivalent to teaching.
     
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    I don't know what that means my friend. This is about applying scripture. What you are doing to scripture is no different than pastors who claim there are animals in heaven. They base it off the book of revelations where Jesus will return riding a horse.

    The only thing we can get from that verse is that there is one horse in heaven, (more so a horse we have never seen) but that doesn't prove nor say, that there are animals in heaven.

    Got to stick to scripture my friend.
     
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    Spot on!! I was thinking the same thing - I used my kids as messengers all the time. I never knew that I actually gave them such power as the OP seems to assert!! ;)
     
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    This thread reminds me of a question I heard asked a long time ago.

    Situation: A man reads/studies a tract (commentary, etc.) that proclaims the glory of Christ without inquiring of the gender of the person who wrote it. Some first names can be used by either male or female. (Even more true today with User ID's on the Internet.) For example, I know two Billy's. One male, the other female - named for her father.

    Has the man sinned by accepting the teachings of a woman, if a female wrote the document he read? If he first didn't make sure he knew the gender of the author?
     
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    It's kind of amusing when literalists try to reason away things when those things might deconstruct their belief system if accepted in the plain sense of their meaning.

    "Tell" or "teach," the apostles learned the fact of the Resurrection from women, and one learns from being taught.

    I prefer Jesus's views and practices concerning women over sexist Paul's -- you know, the person who said the single life was to be preferred to marriage?

    If those Baptists and others who believe in the subjugation of women literally followed Paul's teaching here, your churches would go the way of the Shakers. :)
     
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    "sexist Paul's" Seriously???

    My friend. ALL of scripture is God breathed.
     
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    Umm - if I tell my husband the toilet is clogged, did I just teach him? You seriously have a weird view here.

    Yes - because then one could fully devote their lives to the Lord - but if it was going to be a problem, then get married. But you do realize that by saying "sexist Paul", you are putting down one of the most prolific writers of God's very Word, do you not? And what you are saying is that Paul contradicted Jesus so we can disregard his teaching - when God felt it was important enough to put into Scripture. Now your view is getting scary, getting into the ungodly and heretical view.

    Umm - wrong.
     
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    There is an extremely fine line between the two. To teach is to impart information. When you tell you husband the toilet is clogged you are imparting information. Now whether that is teaching as well each will have to decide for themself.

    We must balance everything Paul writes with the teachings of Christ. If there is a seeming conflict we must temper Paul's more strident comments such that their do not conflict with the teachings of Christ. IMHO when Paul is taken literally without considering the teachings and life of Christ serious errors may and probably will be made.

    I have found it interesting over the few years that I have posted on the BB how often Paul is quoted and how seldom Christ is quoted.

    I have noted this in Christian discussion rooms also.
     
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    John Calvin, Institutes IV.10.29-30:

    "the hours set apart for public prayer, sermon, and solemn services; during sermon, quiet and silence, fixed places, singing of hymns, days set apart for the celebration of the Lord’s Supper, the prohibition of Paul against women teaching in the Church, and such like. . . .Let us take, for example, the bending of the knee which is made in public prayer. It is asked, whether this is a human tradition, which any one is at liberty to repudiate or neglect? I say, that it is human, and that at the same time it is divine. It is of God, inasmuch as it is a part of that decency, the care and observance of which is recommended by the apostle; and it is of men, inasmuch as it specially determines what was indicated in general, rather than expounded. From this one example, we may judge what is to be thought of the whole class—viz. that the whole sum of righteousness, and all the parts of divine worship, and everything necessary to salvation, the Lord has faithfully comprehended, and clearly unfolded, in his sacred oracles, so that in them he alone is the only Master to be heard. But as in external discipline and ceremonies, he has not been pleased to prescribe every particular that we ought to observe (he foresaw that this depended on the nature of the times, and that one form would not suit all ages), in them we must have recourse to the general rules which he has given, employing them to test whatever the necessity of the Church may require to be enjoined for order and decency. Lastly, as he has not delivered any express command, because things of this nature are not necessary to salvation, and, for the edification of the Church, should be accommodated to the varying circumstances of each age and nation, it will be proper, as the interest of the Church may require, to change and abrogate the old, as well as to introduce new forms. I confess, indeed, that we are not to innovate rashly or incessantly, or for trivial causes. Charity is the best judge of what tends to hurt or to edify: if we allow her to be guide, all things will be safe."
     
  20. Michael Wrenn

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    Don't take that too seriously. I'm just trying to make a point. If it comes to following Paul's example with regard to women or Jesus's example, I choose Jesus. Because after all, I'm a Christian, not a Paulian.
     
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