Folks, when theology is being discussed it is not nitpicking to ask someone to be careful with their words. The old adage, "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" is not true. Words carry a lot of weight. When those words are used to describe God, or the Bible, we should take extra care with what comes out of our mouth or what we put into print. In another thread Van wrote: He did not qualify his statement. He did not say, "Calvinists do not believe the bible in this area". He made a blanket statement. Really? Calvinists do not believe the Bible? Think about that statement for it is dangerous. The gospel is contained in the Bible. If Calvinists do not believe the Bible then, by extension, they do not believe the gospel. If they do not believe the gospel then how can they be saved? Perhaps that is not what Van meant, but he has been so incensed at being called out for his careless words that he refuses to retract or modify his statement. He wants to make it into an argument on Calvinism, which it is not. Not to be outdone, Winman chimed in with: If Van was careless with his words, Winman cannot claim the same. By writing, "I would not take it back or apologize" he knew exactly what he was writing. Once again Calvinists do not believe the Bible, or by extension the gospel. I do not expect those who disagree with Calvinism to see it from my point of view. But what if I said Arminians or non-Calvinists do not believe the Bible? Would that be an acceptable statement? Of course I would never make that statement. I would say that we disagree on what the Bible teaches in a specific area(s). That is a far cry from saying that the other side does not believe the Bible. This is a debate forum. It is not for the faint of heart. Sometimes debate gets rather heated. But we need to be careful with our words. When we cross the line we should man up and retract hurtful or inaccurate comments. Refusing to do so speaks volumes about our character.