A certain person has been quoted as judging whether or not Billy Graham and President Bush are not saved. The Bible does indicate that we know Christians by their fruits. How are we to judge those fruits when some of the fruits we may not even know about? Does this mean a Christian cannot produce some bad fruit if they sin? Otherwise, nobody would be a Christian because all Christians still sin. Someone said Billy Graham has bad fruit. If he preaches and those people accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, regardless of what church they go to, they are Christians. Christianity is NOT a slow process. Either we accept or we do not. Is this not the requirement for salvation? Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV) I'm just throwing this out for discussion. I also ask another question. Doesn't this also, in a round about way, make salvation based on works since works is based on salvation? Chicken egg problem. . . at least the way it is being applied here. Must a Christian continue to "grow" and "move forward" as has been implied, or can he/she backslide; or is this impossible if they are a Christian?