World's greatest general

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  1. Matt Black

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    As requested by Briony-Gloriana, herewith a thread for all of us (Americans and their generals are included ;) ).

    My votes:-

    Heinz Guderian
    Moshe Dayan
    Bernard Montgomery (if nothing else to annoy the Americans!)
    Helmuth von Moltke the Elder
    Von Manstein
    Duke of Wellington
    Napoleon
    Stonewall Jackson
    John Pershing
    George Patton
    Georgi Zhukov

    Yours in Christ

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    Probably Napoleon...but the word 'greatest' has to be defined here.

    What about Caesar (Julius) or Hannibal or Alexander? What about...


    Attila the Hun
    Canute
    Charlemagne (Charles the Great)
    Chiang Kai-shek
    Chief Joseph
    Clovis of the Franks
    Constantine The Great
    Dayan, Moshe
    Eisenhower, Dwight David
    Frederick II (The Great)
    Grant, Ulysses Simpson
    Houston, Sam
    Jackson, Thomas "Stonewall"
    Kaishek, Chiang
    Khan, Genghis
    Khan, Kublai
    Lee, Robert Edward
    Patton, George S., Jr.
    Pershing, John Joseph
    Peter the Great
    Richard I (the Lion-Hearted)
    Rommel, Erwin
    Saladin
    Shaka Zulu
    Washington, George

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  3. Matt Black

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    I forgot Rommel. And you put Chiang Kai-Shek twice. Genghis Khan, Caesar and Alexander, definite yes, Kublai Khan not so sure about - good ruler, but not sure about good military chap. Eisenhower too lacklustre and relied on others; he also delayed the end of WWII into 1945 IMO

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    HERE is where I should have posted my tribute to Dayan, NOT on the American list. Duh.
     
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    My vote goes to Alexandar the Great.

    But don't forget Joshua, Gideon and David.
     
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    George Patton
     
  7. Roy

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    Greatest military leader, in my mind, is King David. Of course, he wasn't a general.

    Roy
     
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    And we all know where David was when he should have been fighting over at Rabbah-amman . .
     
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    Don't forget about stormin' Norman.
     
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    Don't forget about Stonewall Jackson. [​IMG]
     
  11. Major B

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    How about Sun Tzu--we are still reading his book!

    And don't forget Cromwell, who forged a new type of army with new tactics, and seldom lost.
     
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    Mao Tse-tung, George Patton, Douglas Mac'Arthur,
    Hannibal, Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, Rommel, Dayan, Alexander the Great, Grant, Houston, Atilla the Hun.

    My personal favorite is my own countryman, called the boy general by you Americans, Gregorio del Pilar, died at Tirad Pass, stood his ground with his troops hugely outnumbered and outgunned by Americans to cover the retreat of the then elected Filipino president, Emilio Aguinaldo.
     
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    Winfield Scott
    Vo Nguyen Giap (beat US)
    Mao
    Stonewall Jackson
    Andy Jackson
    Charles Martel (saved Europe from Islam in 732)
    King Jan Sobieski (saved Europe from Islam in 1683--is there a pattern here?),
    Julius Caesar
    Sun Tzu
    Oliver Cromwell
    King Gutav Adolphus of Sweden, who saved Protestantism at the cost of his own life,
    Wellington (who DEFEATED Napoleon)
    Hans Guderian
    George Washington.
    Lee
    MacArthur
     
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    For more variety, let's add Mehmed the Conqueror, Belisarius (which opinion, I admit, is colored by the Robert Graves novel), Alaric and Shaka Zulu.
     
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    How about whomever was in charge at Thermopylae?

    Eisenhower I disagree with. If he had just turned Patton loose the war would have been over by Christmas 1944. Yes, Patton thought that, and I'm basically quoting it...but with his results, can you -really- argue that he wouldn't have found a way?

    My vote is for Patton, by the way. With either Attilla, Alexander or one of the Khans a close second. I mean, those empires were HUGE.
     
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    "How about whomever was in charge at Thermopylae?"
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    King Leonidas of Sparta?

    "My vote is for Patton, by the way. With either Attilla, Alexander or one of the Khans a close second. I mean, those empires were HUGE."
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    Genghis Khan his empire was the largest.

    And Patton could easily have lost against the Commies because of something simple as a lack of gasoline/warm clothing.
     
  17. Melanie

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    I reckon Alex the Great, Kenghis Khan and Napoleon.

    These guys also had a serious dose of meglomania in their makeup I feel.
     
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    Who was the English general at the Battle of Agincourt, this was pretty good battle against the odds!
     
  19. Major B

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    Patton had our logistics chain, not that of Germany. We had warm clothing, we had the gas, and we had the bomb.
     
  20. Major B

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    I believe it was King Edward.

    But remember, he was fighting the French...

    Who, in his case, charged the English position with their heavy armor in spite of a very wet and muddy field. Knights in armor laying on their back or face in the mud are vulnerable to anyone, and apparently the English foot soldiers had a royal time bashing and slashing hapless French knights.
     

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