Would you join this church

As I believe the case to be, men are chosen to appoint the elders (as TCG referenced Acts 6).

You may now kiss my ring... :laugh:

 

I'm so sorry...

 

Where is your Scripture, my brother?

 

You supplied it...Acts 6.

And yours

 

Sorry for what? I stand on Scripture. Give me Scripture on the contra.

 

'bout time we had a Baptist pope. Them Catholics have had it long enough.

 

Acts 6 is it.

 

You honestly believe that 5000+ people voted on 7 people to wait tables? And I thought today's congregationally ran churches had problems

 

Touche......

 

This is what Scripture says:

"So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3 Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4 and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word."
5 This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism. 6 They presented them to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them."

Scripture is all I have to go with.

 

Nowhere does all the disciples = whole congregation.

From the HCSB...
Then the Twelve summoned the whole company of the disciples and said, "It would not be right for us to give up preaching about God to wait on tables. 3 Therefore, brothers, select from among you seven men of good reputation, (C) full of the Spirit (D) and wisdom, whom we can appoint to this duty. 4 But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the preaching ministry." 5 The proposal pleased the whole company.
(of what? of the disciples)

 

"In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews [a] among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2 So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together..."

I guess the disciples who were increasing were only men and not women.

And I guess the widows were not among the disciples who were increasing in number.

And I guess the NT use of adelphoi, "brothers," excludes women from the NT church.

 

Is it you understanding the HCSB is wrong?

Since 1 Timothy doesn't allow for a woman to exercise authority over a man (which is the case if the fate of who leads the church is left in their hands, I believe those who chose the 7 were men.

Strawman. I never claimed the church didn't consist of both men and women.

According to many translators...and in context, yes.

You never did answer.... you believe 5000+ people voted on 7 people to wait tables and serve the widows?

 

"Brothers" in the HCSB means both men and women. So I didn't misunderstand the HCSB.

If your understanding of 1 Tim 2 has led you to exclude women from voting, then I find that unfortunate.

Do women sing at your church?

From what you highlighted above, I got that impression.

Who are the translators?

Yes, 5000+ people voted, and even more are going to vote in the general elections.

 

That's not what I was referring to. I'm referring to "...whole company of the disciples..."

Men are excluded from voting,too. We're an elder led church, remember?

Yes. Is singing leading in your church

Are you looking for names? KJV, HCSB, LITV, ASV, etc...

You compare voting for the leader of the free world...to who will wait the Grecian widows' tables :laugh:
Scripture makes perfect sense to me. 5000+ people voting on 7 people to wait tables of widows does not.

 

Even when a translation like the ESV uses "brothers" in the text, it has a footnote saying "brothers and sisters."

 

Yes...and context dictates the meaning and when "sisters" is used....

1. a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
2. having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3. any fellow or man
4. a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5. an associate in employment or office
6. brethren in Christ
7. his brothers by blood
8. all men
9. apostles
10. Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place

 

The whole comany of the disciples refers to both men and women, the brothers (v.1).

What does voting have to do with assuming the authority of the elders?

So in the HCSB at Rom 12:1, only men were commanded to present their bodies as living sacrifices to God and so on...?

And at Gal 6:1 only men were overtaken in sins not women?

I see nothing in the KJV, HCSB, ASV that women were excluded from the term adelphoi, "brethren/brothers."

It seems like you have a problem with the number of people allowed to vote.

 

So the context of Acts excludes women from the use of "brothers"?

So what verses with the use of "brothers" include women?

 

"Whole company OF..." is speaking of a sublet of the whole (a group within a group)...not the whole.

It depends on the occasion. Selecting leadership would assume some leadership responsibility.

Non sequiter. We are not discussing the many applications of adelphos.

I have problem with 5000 people voting for waiters. It defies logic, and would make no sense coming from the apostles. If it was such a monumental task of great importance...why didn't they just do it?