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  1. Jedi Knight

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    I have a pastor's associate friend who is upset and told me that THE Pastor makes 90,000 a year and house allowance AND says he won't tithe"the Pastor" because "the church pays him",but tells His congregation they should tithe. What do ya think?
     
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    I can only speak for my local church, and I think it would be time to vote him out. Then again, a church like mine will never approach numbers like you are talking about.
     
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    How long has that pastor been at that church? What's the majority's attitude toward the pastor? What kind of attitude does the pastor have?

    If the congregation believes he fits 1 Tim 5:17-18, then God bless. I love it! :thumbsup:
     
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    Seems to be a mixed bag.....the associate hopes he will move on.
     
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    The associate may be jealous. The associate should have his pastor's back.

    If the pastor fits 1 Tim 5:17, then the associate needs to move on, not the pastor.
     
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    TCG, it appears that we are agreeing quite alot lately :) :thumbs:
     
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    Allan, I seeing more of that. Are you changing on me? :tongue3:
     
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    From what I gather the associate tells me the Pastor is not into outreach and other activities like he use to. Sorry my head spins at those number!
     
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    NOt sure, but could it be the other way around :wavey:
     
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    Often local churches have redefined the pastor's role and that usually ends in a mess.

    Maybe they need to really let Scripture define that pastor's role and let him pastor as an under-shepherd.

    The associate clearly has some issues of his own that he needs to deal with.
     
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    Enough said there. Anytime as an associate you are talking about your senior pastor behind his back you have lost your authority and should be ready to resign. He is has long since stopped being the "friend" of that senior pastor.

    I'm not going to respond to the rest of this thread. If the "associate" truly desires to see things taken care of he needs to approach the pastor, then take it to appropriate lay leadership. If this "associate" is rebuked and rebuffed at every point he needs to respectfully leave.
     
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    Well put! Amen.
     
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    So the issue is that the pastor makes mega moolah (I hope he's been there a long time - our pastor lives in NY and has been at our church for 40 years - and I don't think even he makes that much), and he won't tithe? But he's teaching the congregation to tithe? That makes no sense. A tithe is a tithe. If he earns money, then he should tithe too - if that's what he's teaching his congregation. No double standards allowed.

    I've been told that all of our pastoral staff tithes, so it's not just us. :) We're in good company.
     
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    Ditto, my brother in the Lord. :thumbs:
     
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    "That makes no sense. A tithe is a tithe. If he earns money, then he should tithe too - if that's what he's teaching his congregation. No double standards allowed." Thats the deal he feels that the church pays him with tithes and offerings so he shouldn't tithe again of that.
     
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    If I may - have YOU talked to this pastor?

    If not, Why not?

    If it is because he is not of your church nor your pastor, may I humbly suggest that this appears to be more a gossip issue and should be addressed as such.
    He needs to bring this to the pastor, and the leadership of that church. If they all have no issue with it, then there is no issue for anyone else either.
     
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    Thanks, Allan, you are absolutely correct. The Associate is going against Scripture. It may be the pastor is in the wrong, but we only have one side of the issue.
     
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    "I humbly suggest that this appears to be more a gossip issue" I suppose most of us would be guilty then on this board. I will tell him to confront the pastor,but to label him a gossip when I'm sure you have friends you talk with about their burdens. Would you see your fellow believer and tell him"keep silent friend" instead of "something wrong?".
     
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    If he told you this in confidence, then perhaps you should think twice about posting something like this on a public board.
     
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    In reference to Timothy 1 5:17, it merely says pay a pastor well for the job he does. This has nothing to do with pastors, associate pastors, or money. It has to do with leadership. How can someone who is leading a church set an example by not tithing? The premise almost seems comical. I would rather raise his salary 10% so he could give it back to the church than to show the congregation it does matter if one tithes or not. If one believes there is a mandate to tithe, then it applies to everyone. Gee, I work for the Postal Service so I guess I'll just not pay for stamps.

    A local church can set any policy they wish, but allowing a pastor not to tithe would not be tolerated at my church.

    The problems between staff of the church is another issue, and has nothing to do with giving.
     

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