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You cannot trust the NIV!

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by xdisciplex, Dec 15, 2006.

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  1. JamieinNH

    JamieinNH New Member

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    From the site you posted is this information.

    LINK

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Summary: The NIV is quite compatible with wording in the KJV;generally has a much more accurate Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek textual foundation than the KJV; however, it does have a decidedly fundamentalist slant in some of its translation and sometimes in its selection of the Greek readings, but the NIV does remain the most-sold English language Bible version in print today."[/FONT]


    Since, in their book review, they don't call the NIV untrustworthy, and since you seem to want to quote from this site, does that mean you would consider changing your opinion?

    Jamie
     
    #201 JamieinNH, Dec 22, 2006
  2. Ed Edwards

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    It was the least we could do.
    As my cannibal friend says:
    "We are eager to serve you anytime!"

    May God both preceed you and follow you in your
    journey/life.

    (as Bro. ex-nihilo's moniker reminds us:)
    God created the Universe out of nothing.
    God in His Providence has Preserved His
    Written Word: the Holy Bible, in the form
    of the English Translation, the
    New International Version (NIV).
    The NIV is a Bible that can be trusted.
     
    #202 Ed Edwards, Dec 22, 2006
  3. Ed Edwards

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    ex-nihilo: //Sorry, but there is a big difference between
    someone stating that something IS and someone
    stating that something is similiar as indicated above.//

    Actually, both the KJVs and the NIV - being
    trustworthy English Translations of the Holy Bibe
    correctly translate frequent occasions of the use
    of the figure of speach: the 'metaphor'. In a 'simile'
    the 'as' or 'like' is specified; in the 'metaphor the
    'as' or 'like' is specified.

    Anyway, the NIV is a trustworthy English Bible.
     
    #203 Ed Edwards, Dec 22, 2006
  4. xdisciplex

    xdisciplex New Member

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    Just look at this verse, let it melt on your tongue, this is real scholarship, isn't it?


    KJV

    1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    It is obvious what kind of meaning the word flesh has in this verse. Now let's look what the NIV experts made out of this verse. :)

    NIV

    So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the sinful nature (!!!!) so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

    Wow! :eek::eek:
    Isn't this amazing!?
    Satan destroys our sinful nature? Isn't this what every christian wants? To get rid of his >>sinful nature<<?????
    I guess this means that being handed over to Satan is actually a good thing and it should be done at least once a week. This makes Satan look like God's little helper. :BangHead:
     
    #204 xdisciplex, Dec 22, 2006
  5. JamieinNH

    JamieinNH New Member

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    X,

    You're running in circles. If you don't like the NIV, then don't use it. But it isn't untrustworthy as you want to make it out to be.

    The above verse you just mentioned has this as a footnote.

    Footnotes:
    1. 1 Corinthians 5:5 Or that his body; or that the flesh
    I don't think it's at all saying that Satan is a good thing. I think you really know it's not saying that, and if you don't, then you really need to get into a Bible believing church and study the Word.

    Again, if you don't like the NIV, then don' use it, but USE SOMETHING, even if you think the only thing you can read is the KJV, then please read that one, and leave the others alone.

    Study the Word half as much as you post here, and the answers will come to you.

    I will be praying for you.

    Jamie
     
    #205 JamieinNH, Dec 22, 2006
  6. Claudia_T

    Claudia_T New Member

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    Now I have to say THAT is a really BAD verse, saying to hand us over to Satan for destruction of our sinful nature.

    First of all because you CANT destroy our sinful nature.... secondly if it was going to be destroyed Satan sure wouldnt be the one destroying it.
     
    #206 Claudia_T, Dec 22, 2006
  7. JamieinNH

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    How exactly are the two verses different other than one saying "flesh" and the other saying "sinful nature"?

    We all know that the flesh is the sinful nature we fight with each and every day.



    Also, What is the difference in these two sayings?

    "To deliver such a one unto Satan"

    or

    "hand this man over to Satan"


    Two questions, please answer them with your opinions.

    Jamie
     
    #207 JamieinNH, Dec 22, 2006
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Foul! That isn't the way the NIV reads.
    I don't know which Bible you were reading, but it wasn't the NIV.
    Here is what you need to misunderstand

    1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV1611 Edition):
    To deliuer such a one vnto Satan
    for the destruction of the flesh,
    that the spirit may be saued
    in the day of the Lord Iesus.

    1 Corinthians 5:5 (NIV):
    hand this man over to Satan,
    so that the sinful nature* may be destroyed
    and his spirit saved
    on the day of the Lord.

    Footnote:
    * Or that his body; or that the flesh
     
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  9. Claudia_T

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    Jamie,

    Now that you have pointed that out I dont think there is anything wrong with that verse in the NIV...


    hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


    Im wondering now why that verse would say the destruction of the flesh in the first place

    Claudia
     
    #209 Claudia_T, Dec 22, 2006
  10. JamieinNH

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    Yea, if you look over the NIV and compare it to the KJV, there isn't much if any difference. The NIV has all the foot notes, so it's not like they are "hiding" anything, they just wanted a good translation, adding what they did''t find, or see in the footnotes instead of in the verses.

    I also wondered that myself, I am studying it some, and had planned on asking my pastor on Sunday.

    Maybe someone that has some better insight, that hasn't gotten into the NIV vers KJV dabate here can come in and at least help explain that verse.

    Jamie
     
    #210 JamieinNH, Dec 22, 2006
  11. Claudia_T

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    Handing someone over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh...


    hmmmmmmmmm

    what could that possibly mean
     
    #211 Claudia_T, Dec 22, 2006
  12. Claudia_T

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    gosh I wonder if it means the person actually dying?
     
    #212 Claudia_T, Dec 22, 2006
  13. annsni

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    Well, I can give a quick example. Say there's someone in your church who has been saved (apparently - of course WE can't say what they're heart is like but for this occasion, let's say they ARE saved), but has been tempted by Satan and has started doing drugs. The church counsels him and he just doesn't listen. When the church then turns him out - disfellowshipping him and "handing him over to Satan", he has been released so that Satan won't get his soul - but can most certainly use those drugs to destroy the man's family, his job, his health and quite possibly his life. Rather than God protecting him from the consequences of his sin (which He does many times), He has allowed them to occur to hopefully bring the man to a point where he will realize what's going on and turn from that sin. Satan, however, is hoping to take the man down and will actively work on him because he's hoping that HE'LL get him - and his friends too.

    That's what I understand that verse to say.
     
    #213 annsni, Dec 22, 2006
  14. sundoulos

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    In the extreme (i.e., if the person persists in his sin and refuses to repent), yes.
     
    #214 sundoulos, Dec 22, 2006
  15. Eliyahu

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    Ed, I don't think so. Sorry.
    NIV is worse than NASB.

    NASB is very accurate from the wrong texts. NASB is the Word-to-Word translation based on the flawed texts.

    NIV is the whatever and whichever translation based on the flawed texts.

    I wouldn't recommend NIV to anyone. Sorry Ed.
     
    #215 Eliyahu, Dec 23, 2006
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