you know it is a shame

Oh, please. The liberals have kept this country from becoming a Nazi dictatorship which is exactly what it would be if the ultra right wing conservatives were in control. [deleted personal attack by Frogman, Co-Moderator] It is O.K. to attack countries that haven't attacked us, and it is O.K. to pre-emptively remove governments from power that we don't like, and it is O.K. to kill those who oppose us.

[Personal attack deleted by Frogman Co-Moderator]

Rosell,
Your profile states that you are a non-denominational Baptist;

This Forum is part of the Baptist Only Debate Forums. I do not accept Baptist, Non-Denominational as Baptist Only; this inability to accept your Baptist relationship is resultant from the above related information that You are Pastor of Northeast Community Christian Fellowship; nowhere in that identification is there to be found Baptistic distinctives.

As a co-moderator of this forum, because of this I want to ask you to refrain from posting in the Baptist Only Debate Forums. There are plenty of Christian Fellowship Debate/Discussion Forums where you are welcome and encouraged to engage in discussion, provided of course you also discontinue with any future personal attacks.

Bro. Dallas

I have left the remainder of your post. But in the future please do not post in a Baptist Only Forum and in all your posts please do not engage in personal attacks.

[ May 12, 2004, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]

 

If you are a non-denominational Baptist (as listed on your profile), why are you posting in Baptist Only forums?

And maybe you should read the Posting Rules again about personal attacks on members before you get booted off the board. Or are personal attacks "Christian values?"

[ May 12, 2004, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]

 

Hmm, naked with a pair of women's panties over one's head being "tortured" by a young woman in military garb.

Isn't that called a phantasy here in the USA?

HankD

 

JGrayhound

You bring out some excellent points. We are fighting a war with our hands tied behind our backs. For instance, a week ago our troops had a large group of rebels surrounded in this Iraq city call Fullajah or something like that. And guess where the rebels were all hiding at? Inside their sacred Muslim Mosque. Could we shell it with heavy artillery? No. For we are to respect the sacred shrines of the Iraq people. Do these terrorists respect our sacred shrines of the "twin towers" that used to be in New York city? Not a chance.

I say BLOW THEM UP with the rebels inside them and show them there is no place to hide where sadistic killers are concerned.
Also I heard on CNN news that the US government may now have to pay out tons of U.S. currency to the bereaved Iraq families of the abused prisoners in the American compounds. I wonder if the abused family members of the twin towers, the families of soldiers from American and British prisoners can collect money from AlQuadi as well? This whole war is simply PATHETIC. Either bring our troops home or let them level the enemy and let's not make this fiasco another Vietnam.

 

Perhaps a better solution for all Americans would be to get out of the UN; our adherance to thier policies is what ties our hands behind our back.

There is also alot of cultural things [oddly, I never considered the Twin Towers to be a 'shrine'], perhaps that is why it was targeted?

This issue of terrorism isn't cut and dried, not even the complications of the Vietnam War compare to the situations in both Afghanistan or Iraq, IMHO.

A reliable comparison can be made I think, but not one that is in all points clearly paralell.

Bro. Dallas

 

I understand Dr Bob.

I think it can predicted that when this war eventually escalates into a "JIHAD" (we're almost there) even our definitions of "shame" and "humiliation" will turn into a moving target.


HankD

 

Actuallu, I do think we should pull out of the UN. Heck, we ARE the UN. Why should countries like France have an equal say in what we do, when we have to do 95% of the work.

The UN is the reason this Hussein mess has dragged on for 15 years.

 

My favorite UN site:

http://www.getusout.org

 

Does anyone agree we should take a wrecking ball to the UN building? What a joke. I once heard the United States no longer owns the land that the building sits on? I really wonder how much of our country really is ours?

 

I don't think we should get out of the UN. I do, however, think that UN should consider being disbanded.

OTOH, what should replace the UN? THoughts?

 

The question between states and the UN is that of sovereignty, in order to give the UN authority needed to enforce policiy and international law, all states must relinquish internal sovereignty. As long as there are states not willing to relinquish any degree of Sovereignty, the UN is a useless body merely serving its own political agenda, which of course is to increase its own Sovereignty.

It boils down to a systems/personality question.

I am for internal Sovereignty of nations; cooperation is great and I support it but not to the degree that my hands are tied while the neighborhood bully beats me up and the proctor only tightens my bondage or threatens me when I protest.

Bullies know only one rule, absolute power is power to negotiate. Vietnam should have taught us that half-hearted attempts to meet bullies cannot work.

These third and fourth world nations (most resulting from the victors actions after WWI) want a peice of the wealth, who can blame them? But, terroristic activity can never be accepted as a means to an end of gaining their place in international affairs.

I would also think that even in the greatest war ever fought you will find individuals who committed atrocities, read Wm. T. Sherman Shermans March to the Sea by Burke Davis for in depth details of the successfulness of total war.

Bro. Dallas

 

Who has said we should stoop to that level?

 

Didn't the 09/11 hijackers go through ritual? That was reported in the news.

Maybe you're right, but if the Israelis are thinking about it, there must be a reason they think it would help.

 

I don't come here often....and I don't read more than a handful of threads.

I still highly doubt anyone on here would advocte the decapitation of a prisoner on videotape to send to his home country.