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Discussion in 'Politics' started by church mouse guy, Nov 18, 2005.

  1. church mouse guy

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    Leading supermarket chains Target, Walmart & Costco, all announced today that they will not be using the phrase "Merry Christmas" in their advertising.

    What is wrong with including "season's greetings" alternatives, such as "Happy Holidays" and "Happy Hanukkah", in order to avoid offending non-Christians? The drive towards omitting "Merry Christmas" altogether, I think, is a clear demonstration of the anti-Christian mood that is currently moving through the US.


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  2. Johnv

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    This was discussed in another thread recently, and was for the most part refuted. The blogger of this site is a bit slow (and inaccurate) in her subject matter.
     
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    Oh, well I didn't see the thread. It was also discussed by Bill O'Reilly and he confirmed that Target, Walmart and Costco would not use the word Christmas in their advertising.

    Walmart did announce that they would allow The Salvation Army at their stores:

    http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMStoresWeb/navigate.do?catg=26&contId=5784

    Here in part is what Bill O'Reilly said:

    O'REILLY: Here's what we found out: Sears/Kmart would not answer our questions. Spokesman Chris Braithwaite simply ducked the issue. Their website banners: "Wish Book Holiday 2005." They were the worst we had to deal with. OK? Sears/Kmart. JCPenney says its catalog is always called "Christmas catalog." Federated Department Stores -- Macy's, Bloomingdale's, Burdines -- says the words "Merry Christmas" will be used in most advertising. Same thing at May, Filene's, Lord & Taylor, and Marshall Field's. But Kohl's refused to define how the company will deal with Christmas. Dillard's, however, will use the slogan "Discover Christmas, Discover Dillard's." So there you go. Shop where you like the atmosphere. Just remember, Kohl's and Sears/Kmart, basically, not all right.

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    However, Wal-Mart is one of the very few retailers that still allows the Salvation Army to post a bell-ringer outside its doors. And I seriously doubt they'll be able to enforce a no-Christmas policy in their southern US stores, or that they'll even try.
     
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    Well, I wonder what would happen if we all were sure to say "Merry Christmas" to everyone we meet, even the clerks at Wal-Mart, etc.? I don't care who I offend. :D
     
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    I don't see how the heathen are offended by the word Christmas since they consider it just a secular holiday anyway. I think that if the merchants were really sincere, they would say that they do not believe in Christianity and would not advise anyone to buy a Christmas gift from them.
     
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    If we as Christians can be a powerful voting block to be reckoned with, dont you think we could put economic pressure on these stores? They are very concerned about their bottom line, especially at Christmas time. If the cashier dont wish you a hearty "MEEEEERRRRRRYY CHRISTMASSSS!", then leave all your purchases right there on the counter and walk out. If it wasnt for Christmas, alot of these stores wouldnt survive. Who are they kiddin'.
     
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    For some reason, I am really disgusted with merchants this year. I am a child of the 1950s, the golden age in America, when Christmas was a happy time even if you didn't have anything. I am getting sick of this annual fight over Christmas. We used to visit Marshall Field's in Chicago just for the wonderful decorations--and they were a Jewish store. It's only once a year. If you feel left out, maybe it's you, not society.

    These merchants should keep a civil tongue in their heads. If they cannot be kind to their customers, they should say that they do not want Christmas business and leave us alone.

    You know, we have a little restaurant downtown that is run by some people who are Eastern Orthodox. Because they have a different date for Christmas, they don't put up any decorations. But they refrain from discussing the issue, and they are nice people who love Jesus, and all is well.

    I worked in a building in Chicago years ago that had a small poster from the humane society. It showed a 10-year-old boy with a puppy in his arms and the caption was, "Kindness spoken here."
     
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    It's not the heathens that object to Christmas, because they couldn't care less, and most actually enjoy trading gifts, it is the politically correct movement that currently has so great an effect on policy in these businesses. Wal Mart, et al, are in the position between a rock and a hard spot. It's just another front on which the battle for Christianity is fought. We, of course, will lose this one also. They don't want to drive either side away from their doors, and it grows increasingly difficult as time goes on. The dark side hates Jesus Christ.
     
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    Yeah, stick the poor cashier with your mess and attitude, that's a good way to demonstrate your Christmas/Christian spirit!

    I'm sure the clerks don't mind your wishing them a "Merry Christmas" - I assume that they would return the greeting. It's just that they are not allowed to instigate it.

    CMG

    Do you consider a cashier saying "Happy Holidays" to be unkind?

    What is it with people wanting to see themselves as persecuted victims?
     
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    Well, Daisy, I don't see why speech has to be controlled during this season. There is a problem with the word holiday also as it is short for holy day. I think that we need the freedom to express Christmas greetings in public even if we do work for some God-forsaken store like Target.
     
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    I work for an old office building; my boss has some of the most beautiful Christmas decorations in town but part of it is just the beauty of the old-fashioned lobby.
     
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    Oh, You mean people like Michael Newdow and others who feel so threatened by the mention of God that they will file a lawsuit about it.
     
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    Newdow is claiming that he is a Grand Lubitz in his own church.

    http://www.restorethepledge.com/

    I have to wonder if these stores are not hurting themselves by not mentioning Christmas. They seemed to have turned it into a period of greed and materialism judging by the mob behavior of some of the crowds seeking a bargain even if others were knocked down, etc.

    Maybe it is time that we Christians took a hard look at our Christmas spending patterns and maybe paid more attention to Easter.

    What is your opinion?
     
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    I agree. These merchants have no constitutional constraints on their Christmas advertizing. They are using ad campaigns that they think will maximize their earnings. It's perfectly acceptable and a good thing to do to change that perspective and vote with our pocketbook.
     
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    Newdow is an actual minority (even if by choice). Christians are overwhelmingly in the majority, so why do some feel so threatened?
     
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    Because Newdow and others like him are doing their best to have symbols and traditions taken away, things that are important to many of us. Things that were not a problem to anyone in earlier times, but which now are for some reason.
     
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    The heathen are so lost. I was in Nordstroms, which caters to the upper-middle class, last night. There was not a sign of Christmas there.

    As for the idea that athiests are in the minority, non-Christians are in the majority worldwide. When the American people tell Gallup that they believe in God, I take it as a sign of admission that they are living wrong, not as a sign that they are born-again--would that they were, StraightandNarrow.
     

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