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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Baptist4life, Aug 20, 2009.
I'm interested in whether or not you agree with women being pastors. Why or why not.
NO. It's very hard for a woman to be the husband of one wife.
Well, I guess these days it's not in this sick world we live in.
"In Christ there is no male nor female."
That's just dodging the issue, and has nothing to do with the question.
And we've been through this...that isn't speaking anatomically its speaking about our equality soteriologically.
for the poll...are we talking ordained senior pastors or associate pastors or such. Thanks
Well, I don't believe a woman should be in ANY role as a pastor, even an associate, but absolutely NEVER a senior pastor.
God has defined His requirements in His Word very clearly. How can you "side-step" those?
Scripture does not forbid women as pastors. Neither is it an issue of the Baptist Dictinctives. Therefore, in accordance with the Distinctive of local autonomy and individual liberty, Baptist churches are permitted to decide that for themselves, although, historically, Baptists abhor females at the pastorate level.
People often quote the "husband of one wife" verse, but the words in Greek (Mias gunaikos andra) means "a man of one woman". Paul was instructing that a leader in the church was to be a “one-woman man”, loyal to his wife and to her alone. Paul was not, in this verse, attempting to exclude women in the role of leadership.
I give it three posts before someone accuses me of liberalism or heresy.
No....you're just wrong! :tongue3:
"One woman man" or "husband of one wife" is still a man regardless. Anything else is eisegesis.
He said a man should have only one wife. He put no restrictions on women pastors on the number of husbands. Does this mean Paul realized that women, in general, are more moral then men?
Now, did he mean one wife in a life time, or one wife at a time?
Hey, I gotta give you credit for at least being polite :applause:
No, he said and elder MUST be the husband of one wife (I don't buy the "one woman kind of guy" interpretation, either). If a man cannot run his own home biblically, or has no experience doing just that, how can he run a church? It's for this reason I don't believe a single man should be a pastor as well.
It's a red herring to speak about a woman being more moral than a man. It's subjective at best.
He meant one wife, until "death do them part", or biblical grounds for divorce.
The original 12 apostles were men, as were all of the other apostles. And there was no shortage of Godly women from which to choose. However, Christ intended for the office of pastor to be held by men. Otherwise He would have appointed at least one or two token women. And before someone says He had to appoint men because of the customs and sensibilities of the times, I would remind you that Jesus Christ was not the least bit influenced by customs and sensibilities. Following Christ’s example, it is clear to me that He did not intend women to occupy the office of pastor.
Thank you! I'll try to disagree without being disagreeable! :smilewinkgrin:
Oh, bless you!!! Can we have more of that?
There are many passages that indicate a woman should not be a pastor but I think 1 Tim. 2 is the most clear:
We see from this it is not a cultural issue, but is based on the order of creation: "For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve."
And also, the woman was deceived.
God is a God of order.
Also, from Eph 5:23:
God also teaches that a man has spiritual headship over his wife. This is another reflection of the order God set up. It has nothing to do with superiority or intelligence. It's just the order God has set up.
If a husband has spiritual headship over his wife, how can a woman, married or not, have spiritual headship over all the men in the church?
I think it's crystal clear.
We may disagree on infants...be we agree on women :laugh: :thumbs:
And a woman comes in to play how?? Whether it means husband of one wife or a one woman man, there is something in common in both descriptions that is missing - "woman".
Very simple; it is not Biblical!
If one takes the verse that strictly, then it also forbids leaders from being single, since they are not husbands of one wife. A person can't say it excludes women unless they also claim it to exclude single males.
Now, before anyone gois down the "you're not really baptist" road, let me say that I don't believe it's appropriate for baptist churches to have women leaders. It's contrary to Baptist tradition and practice. We should no more have women leaders than we should baptize infants. Neither shoudl we make a big issue over nonbaptist churches that do either.