I must have missed that thread, do you have proof of what we paid?
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Obama won't rule out releasing detainees in US
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I must have missed that thread, do you have proof of what we paid?
What do you suggest we do with them?
How do you know they are all lowlifes? Are they all guilty?
We detained them, why would others want them shipped to their country? Why would we expect others to take care of the problem we created, what to do with them?
Just curious.
Just send them back to their nation of citizenship.
Should we return those who we know or are pretty sure will be execugted by their government?
Why would they be executed?
Because the government in Beijing considers the Uighurs terrorists and would execute them if we sent them back to China.
Well wouldn't that be up to China and their courts?
Who is the U.S. to interfere in the court system of other soverign nations?
I thought that you were against the U.S. imposing our value system on other countries.
Isn't imposing our values on others one of the things that made the U.S. looked down upon by other countries?
You have criticized Bush for that ALOT.
You avoided my question. Should we return them to China knowing they will be executed there?
Why not?
Many States in the U.S. has the death penalty.
Isn't it a soverign matter for their courts?
Now perhaps you could answer my questions.
Are we imposing our values when we refuse to turn over individuals to a government that we know will execute them?
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We have trouble here in the US because we have the death penalty. Here in Colorado for example, the DA had to promise Mexico that a murderer who fled back there would not be given the death penalty if he were extradited back to Colorado. That, even though no one has been executed here for decades.
How does this impose our values? What will change in China if we do not return these men?
I do not consider our not returning these men as imposing our values. I do see it as saving the lives of these men.
Invading Iraq and attempting nation building was imposing our values.
Creating laws requires legal, moral, and value judgements.
Setting penalties for the violation of those laws also requires legal, moral, and value judgements.
When we refuse to return a citizen of a particular country because we do not agree with their laws or penalties we are imposing our values onto that country at least to the extent of that particular case and it's circumstances.
It is not only individuals charged with crimes that are entitled to a trial but also the people through their government that wish for laws to be established both to ensure social order and also to ensure that justice is carried out for crimes commited against a society - either against individuals or against the social order.
In this case we see that both you and Obama have a double standard. You do not want the U.S. to impose it's values on other countries in some cases but are fine with it when the values being imposed are in agreement with yours.
That Obama had to pay another country huge amounts of money to take these particular suspected terrorists tells me that no other country was willing to take them and that Obama was not willing to keep them himself.
This is just another form of "going it alone". If no other country was willing to take them without the financial payoff then they were in effect agreeing that these terror suspects should not be free to wander the world to ply their trade. The U.S. unilaterally made the decision to free them and was willing to pay a bribe to do it.
It seems from your opinion here that you have no respect for the people of China who may wish to seek justice for crimes commited by these suspects.
I think that you should read your own tag line and drop your prejudice against the people of China.
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