Sweden's government health care

and this is what obama wants for us.

 

And a lot of people on this Forum!

 

yep


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Here is a paper written by an analyst at the National Center for Public Policy Research in 2007.


http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA555_Sweden_Health_Care.html

"For much of the 20th century, Sweden had a single-payer system of health care in which the government paid almost all health care costs. Like other nations with a single-payer system, Sweden has had to deal with the problem of ever-growing health care expenses causing a strain on government budgets. It has dealt with this problem by rationing health care - instituting waiting lists for medical appointments and surgery."

"In practice, the political notion of "equal access" actually means "restricted access." Swedes who do not have private insurance must wait, often for months, for treatment. For all Swedes who needed an operation in 2003, slightly more than half waited more than three months (see Figure 2).22 The situation continues. Moreover, patients often wait in great pain and distress."

" Sweden is one of several nations whose practices offer proof that single-payer health care systems lead to the proliferation of waiting lists. It also shows that waiting lists have adverse and sometimes tragic consequences for patients."

"While Sweden is a first world country, its health care system - at least in regards to access - is closer to the third world."

 

And this is what obama wants for us. No, thats not for us. The rich will always have their health care they currently have. for the rest of it us, it just gets worse.

 

A three month wait for most surgeries is not bad if everyone has coverage. If you look at emergency surgery, there is not such wait.

 

are you kidding 3 months is ok to wait for surgery? I don't think so. When I had my gall bladder out, I went to the doctor in early dec. had tests within 2 weeks, results a week later, and surgery Jan 5.
And everyones not going to have coverage. Already people here are talking about those who should nto be covered. And it seems in line with what obamas people, and his wife have said. some will not get coverage, if they are over weight at all, don't eat healthy foods only, of course he's a hypocrite, he smokes, under his health care plan even he wouldn't get coverage.

 

Urgent surgery is not subject to such waits, as I already pointed out. But if you need a tonsillectomy, so what if you wait. I have yet to see any credible evidence of such waits anyway.

 

waiting months to see a doctor, waitng months for treatments, waiting months for surgery, not getting needed medications and treatments, if it's acceptabel to you, then you do it. but don't dictate my health care, and everyone elses.

 

Still having comprehension problems I see.

 

no, not at all, you think putting off health care for months is alright, for others, but don't want to volunteer to do it yourself.

 

You made my point. Where did I say such a thing? Can't find it, because I never said that.

 

Depending on the urgency, it may indeed be acceptable. If I need a tonsillectomy, it may be fine. If I need emergency gall bladder surgery, probably not. I also never said I wanted something different for others than myself, despite donnA's unsubstantiated claim.

 

I bolded for emphasis.

I believe that you are dead wrong about there not being a wait for "emergency surgery".

Take a look at cancer survivor rates in countries with socialized health care.

The death rate from cancer is much higher because patients are required to wait.

In fact they wait so long that treatable cancer often becomes untreatable cancer.

 

Got any stats?

 

The US (and our so called horrible medical system) leads the world in cancer survival rates.

http://reason.com/blog/show/122091.html

 

Hmm...provide the stats asked for and get nothing but silence...interesting.

 

Come on this isn't kindergarten... you are on the internet after all. Google it. It's not that tough.

There have been so many stats sited in so many threads on this board on the subject of the ill effects of socialized health care that I find your request to be silly.

Try this one - and then do your own homework. You might learn something.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=60235