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Desperation and Fearmongering

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Dec 17, 2009.

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  1. just-want-peace

    just-want-peace Well-Known Member
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    And this phenomenon is by far the most common on this board!!!:tear:

    I think to an extent everyone does it, many times by a simple misunderstanding, BUT, far more common is a total disregard for the truth and a "revision" of a comment to suit another's politics, as opposed to fact.

    Doesn't take a lot of reading to see this.
     
  2. saturneptune

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    And your misrepresentation of me as an obsessed wack job is totally out of line and false. You, who defends abusive governmental agencies against citizens, is the one totally out of touch with what this country stands for, and quite frankly, the exact mindset that has our nation in the condition it is in today.
     
  3. saturneptune

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    Maybe you should read the background of the other thread and come to a conclusion before speaking.
     
  4. targus

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    I did not single you out - but if the shoe fits....

    As I have asked several times to no avail - can you cite where I did as you accuse?

    Not that I am holding my breath.

    Thank you for yet another example of what I saying.
     
  5. targus

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    Perhaps you could direct us both to my actual words...

    Like I said - not holding my breath.
     
  6. saturneptune

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    Well, do not hold your breath any longer. Here are your quotes.

    #1

    Would the responses to this article and the actions taken by the IRS be different if it were learned that this person did significantly under report her income as they originally suspected?
    After all she does work in a cash business where a large portion of one's income is in the form of cash tips.
    Should she be able to declare her children as dependents if her parents are the ones actually providing for the majority of their needs?

    #2

    Originally Posted by billwald
    >Should she be able to declare her children as dependents if her parents are the ones actually providing for the majority of their needs?

    OK, then the IRS should have had them all file amended returns with the parents claiming the deductions.
    Do we know that this was not the case?
    And that this woman and her parents were not simply stubborn and refused to do so?
    Is it possible that her parents already were not paying any tax on their return and so it would have been of no additional benefit to them to declare the kids as their dependents?

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    Just happenstance that the IRS claimed that 13K was owed? Under $10K and the mother could have filed in IRS small claims court.

    That depends on your local small claims court - here the limit is more like $2,000 - you are making too many broad stroke assumptions.

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    The action against he would be suspended, no lawyer would be needed, and she could have presented her case directly to an IRS lawyer. Been there, done that. Very interesting.

    I was in private practice for over 20 years as a CPA and dealt with the IRS many many times on behalf of my clients. Not once was it ever necessary to go to any court.
    If one behaves like a rational and polite person the IRS can be very reasonable to work with - without simply giving in to their position on a particular tax issue.
    Some seem to be forgetting that it is Congress that writes the tax laws. The IRS is merely their collection and enforcement agency.

    #3

    I am still curious...
    Would each person's response to the OP be the same if it were found that this individual had understated her income as the IRS thought may have been the case when deciding to review her return?

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    Originally Posted by saturneptune
    The answer is just like above. If they have evidence she broke the law, then arrest her and use the courts. If not, leave her alone. These kind of tactics point to the true character of the agency.

    This woman filed a tax return that apparently did not pass muster on first look - so the IRS asked her to support her statements.
    That would be the investigation of the evidence.
    Apparently in that investigation it was found that her information as provided was not accurate.

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    Why is it you are so quick to side with an agency that is part of a corrupt and inept government that has thrown out the Constitution, and so slow to give an American citizen, where the power to govern originates, the benefit of the doubt?

    I have not taken any side here other than to ask questions.
    As I see it this woman works at a job where much of one's income is in the form of tips.
    People who earn tips can sometimes be tempted to under report their income.
    The IRS compared her reported income with the local cost of living and asked her how she was able to make it on her relatively low level of reported income.
    When she stated that she lives with her parents it became a natural question as to who is supporting and is thereby entitled to declare the kids as dependents.
    If here parents are providing housing, utilites, food, etc to those kids then it is a matter of tax code regulations as to who gets the exemption for the kids.
    If she took them as dependents when she in fact is not providing for the majority of their support then she is going to owe more tax.
    What is the complaint here?
    Why are you so in favor of this woman not paying taxes if she in deed owes them?
    Why should you and I a whole lot of other people pay higher taxes just because some people decide that they don't want to pay what they owe?
    I seriously don't get it.

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    No, if it was a mistake they should merely pay the tax. What does that have to do with the thug like tactics of the IRS?

    What were the "thug like tactics" used by the IRS in the OP?


    #6

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    The very idea of posting support for an out of control governmental agency with no moral fiber over an American citizen is an outrage.

    So you would have sided with Al Capone over the IRS?


    #7

    And this one takes the cake.

    I see no problem with the IRS.


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    Here is the reason for being an IRS apologist.

    Originally Posted by targus
    Actually I am a CPA and have represented clients before the IRS for over twenty-five years.
    Perhaps the difference between my experience with the IRS and yours is that I saw to it that my clients kept adequate records and that their returns were properly completed and filed.
    Just a guess on my part

    And another from a different poster

    Originally Posted by targus
    Income tax returns are prepared from records - you don't just make the number up.
    If your tax return is questioned it is a matter of producing the records to support your return.
    Would you want the IRS to simply take every tax return at face value?
    Isn't it better to have a system of accountability so that tax cheaters have to pay just like the rest of us?

    targus, not to give you a hard time, but we are seeing this from different views.
    Have you ever been to a IRS audit? I have, about 5 times. Four of the five times my appointment was on a Friday at 10AM. Each time they had to leave for the weekend, at about 11 AM, to to personal deals and call me back on Monday.

    To get into town on(each time I ask for a Monday appointment, but no such thing) Friday I had to start getting runs back to Florida on Monday and get back on Thursday, so I could load my files up and take them down to them. Each time I left, I felt like they were over paid, under worked, wasted my time and their attitude caused me to dislike the IRS more and more.

    I believe it was in the mid 80's 60 minutes or 20/20 did a deal on their gestapo like actions. How much power they had.

    I'm sure they have many nice folks working for them, but I don't think I ever met one. Then I got a tax lawyer and he was about as bad and rude as they were and I was out of there in about a half an hour.

    But I'm in trucking and that is a field that the IRS acts as if we are all crooks, so we get checked often. With that said, I haven't been checked in 10 to 15 years now.



    Here is the link to the original story.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...6_danny06.html

    Now, do you have anything else to say?
     
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  7. targus

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    I have started a new thread titled "IRS thug tactics revisited" so as not to hijack this one.

    Let's take the discussion over there.
     
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  8. carpro

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    Now, children.....

    Back on topic.





    If we do pass it, the same thing will happen, but the control will pass to the government and that's what Obama and his ilk are really after.
     
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  9. blackbird

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    Th OP has requested the thread be closed

    So ordered

    So moved
     
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