Payrolls in U.S. Rose 162,000 in March; Unemployment at 9.7%

[targus]

Yes, I'm sure that all those temporary census workers will be rolling out their new technological inventions any time now.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes, I'm sure that all those temporary census workers will be rolling out their new technological inventions any time now.

And those I mentioned mean nothing? Get real and try being honest!Without the government you would have no bulletin board to spew your ignorance or is it simply prejudice on.

E-mail came about because of packet-switching research by the government and defense contractors. But, that doesn't count does it? ROFL

 

[targus]

And those I mentioned mean nothing? Get real and try being honest!Without the government you would have no bulletin board to spew your ignorance or is it simply prejudice on.

E-mail came about because of packet-switching research by the government and defense contractors. But, that doesn't count does it? ROFL

We are talking about the present.

The government is not hiring new scientists and engineers.

The government is currently hiring part time temporary census workers.

Let's try to stick to the topic at hand - which you started.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Only in your mind was it a "weak caveat." You love to accuse others, especially CTB with dishonesty, yet your own dishonesty doesn't seem to bother you in the least.

Where is my dishonesty, Bob ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually, the guy who is credited with the internet invention was a professor at M.I.T., Sir Tim Burners Lee.

Targus is quite correct. The folks that are being hired right now will not advance any science, they will advance government. To compare the two is silly.

Also, by C.T.Boy's own admission, private companies worked with the military to get packet switching done. Which means to me the private companies did the work, funded by military money.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Actually, the guy who is credited with the internet invention was a professor at M.I.T., Sir Tim Burners Lee.

Your information is incorrect. DARPA hooked four computers together to see if they could get them to talk to each other. They did and gradually other computers were added and slowly the Internet was born.

Read the following quote carefully:

Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (born 8 June 1955[1]), is a British engineer and computer scientist and MIT professor credited with inventing the World Wide Web, making the first proposal for it in March 1989.[2] On 25 December 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student at CERN, he implemented the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the Internet.

He could only do this because of what DARPA had already done.

The Internet as we know it today, in the mid-1990s, traces it origins back to a Defense Department project in 1969.
http://www.lincoln.edu/math/rmyrick/ComputerNetworks/InetReference/57.htm

1969 is twenty years before Berners feat. What he did should not be overlooked, but it was not the invention of the Internet.

Targus is quite correct. The folks that are being hired right now will not advance any science, they will advance government. To compare the two is silly.

Yes, Targus and you are silly to try to muddy the waters with your total, uniformed bias.

Are you saying the census is only for government use?

Also, by C.T.Boy's own admission, private companies worked with the military to get packet switching done. Which means to me the private companies did the work, funded by military money.

It was a joint effort. The company I worked for did a lot of work with the government on packet switching. Without the government engineers working with private industry it probably would never have come about.

 

[billwald]

>Yes, I'm sure that all those temporary census workers will be rolling out their new technological inventions any time now.

Yes, but 80% or so of the increased productivity created by the post WW2 inventions went to union workers in union states. In the last 25 years around 80% of the net value of increased productivity has gone to stockholders.

Can anyone explain to me why the net increase from new inventions should NOT go to the stockholders?

 

[Robert Snow]

Say what you will - but the previous conservative Robert Snow was a whole lot nicer.

I was not posting on the current events or the politics forums very often. These areas are generally more caustic in my opinion.

 

[billwald]

>Reason: A government job costs money to fund--via tax dollars. Not so with a private job.

Doesn't compute. You may argue that there is a psychological or social reason that private jobs are more efficient than public jobs but the balance sheet is the same no matter the source of the investment funds.

The BIG RIP-OFF is that public funds are used by private contractors and, somehow, the private contractors are permitted to patent the results of the experiments and investigations. I think this mostly true in the medical industry.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Crabby, getting four computers to talk to each other is not the internet. Origins, perhaps. But we all know origins are not finalized product. That's like saying the jumbo jet was invented by the Wright Brothers. And there were several companies working on networking computers together, we would have it with or without the military.

Also, you should source your wikipedia quote.

Without the government engineers working with private industry it probably would never have come about.

Baloney. There is no way to prove that, anyway. Just you tring to switch subjects.

 

[targus]

Yes, Targus and you are silly to try to muddy the waters with your total, uniformed bias.

Are you saying the census is only for government use?
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No, I did not say that.

What benefit to the economy will come from the census anywhere near to the examples that you have cited like the internet and email?

 

[Crabtownboy]

No, I did not say that.

What benefit to the economy will come from the census anywhere near to the examples that you have cited like the internet and email?

Indeed, what benefit do you believe comes from a census?

Why did the founding fathers want a census every ten years?

 

[targus]

Indeed, what benefit do you believe comes from a census?

Please do not attempt to derail the discussion.

The question is what economic benefit to the economy will come from temporary part time hiring by the government for the census?

You said that government hiring results in new inventions, new technological advances and new uses of technology developed by government spending that in turn are used by the private sector.

Please support your position by citing the advances that will come to the private sector by the the work done by these temporary census workers.

 

[rbell]

Really. Have you considered:

The Internet was a government product from DRAPA. Think of the industry that has grown from this government product.

GPS was a government product before being released to the public.

Have you considered all the jobs in the drug industry that have resulted from products from the National Institutes of Health that were released to private industry.

Have you considered all the productivity improvements that were developed and taught by the Department of Agriculture to farmers.

Have you considered the products that have been developed through pure research that was done in government laboratories? The results are used by private industry in the development of new products and, thus, jobs.

This is simply a drop in the bucket of jobs that have been produced in private industry through government developed products.

Do you consider defense industry jobs that depend on the government as real jobs?
Where would Boeing, General Dynamics, Martin Marietta, Melpar, Haliburton and who knows how many other companies would cease to exist without government contracts?

I am not attempting to insult you with the next sentence. I think you thinking and vision is too narrow. [/SIZE]

Ok...so now, have you considered:

• All the man-hours given to satisfying all the government regulations?
• Or the fact that just because a government contract employs folks...that doesn't mean it should happen...or that those people wouldn't be employed through other means?
• The number of individuals who might have been discouraged from further acheivements...all because of pedantic, cumbersome, or discriminatory government demands?

This is where our disagreement manifests itself at the most basic level. I think that America (and Americans) are great because of their effort--their determination--their self-reliance. You think America is great because of government.

And to be blunt, your side is in control right now of our country, and your side is wrecking us as fast as it can.

Apparently, you think that in a perfect world, everyone will be employed by the government. You think that government employement is the apex of employment...and government-directed jobs are the highest calling when it comes to available jobs.

Only problem is...your encomic Ponzi scheme has a tipping point. Can I say precisely when it will occur? No...but I promise you: It will occur. Unless there is drastic change--the number of "takers" will overwhelm the number of "givers" at some point. You can only fund so much before there is a collapse.

But hey...you're convinced I'm just a right-wing fringe bumpkin...what do I know? Too bad you're not right...because if I am right, tough times are coming.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

The 1890 Census used punch cards which were tabulated by machine. So, the Census Bureau invented the computer, just like Al Gore invented the Internet. :tongue3:

In all seriousness, the non-response follow up operation is fairly low-tech on the front end. Enumerators will be using reams of paper maps, paper census forms, letters, logs, etc. Once the Enumerator has the information from the resident on the form, the information is imputed into a computer system by a Census Clerk. The data is then compiled and delivered to the President by December 31, 2010 and to the States in the spring of 2011 for reapportionment. The individual responses are only seen by Census employees who are bound by oath or affirmation to secrecy. The forms and computer files are then sealed for 72 years, after which they become public record.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Ok...so now, have you considered:

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  [*]All the man-hours given to satisfying all the government regulations?

  
  What regulations are you talking about?
  
  

  [*]Or the fact that just because a government contract employs folks...that doesn't mean it should happen...or that those people wouldn't be employed through other means?

  
  What should not happen? What are you talking about?
  
  

  [*]The number of individuals who might have been discouraged from further acheivements...all because of pedantic, cumbersome, or discriminatory government demands?

  
  What demands are you talking about?
  
  

This is where our disagreement manifests itself at the most basic level. I think that America (and Americans) are great because of their effort--their determination--their self-reliance. You think America is great because of government.

We have both the greatest creatives workers in the world ... and we have a very good government. Tell me what country has a better government?

And to be blunt, your side is in control right now of our country, and your side is wrecking us as fast as it can.

It was wrecked under Bush and the rubber stamp Republicans when they were in power. Maybe it can be saved, maybe not, but be honest about who took a government budget surplus, and a pretty decent economy and turned it into a huge budget deficit, and almost destroyed the economy. Don't try to rewrite history. The economy had tanked before Obama was in office. Has he done the right thing? Neither your nor I know. Ask me again in ten years.

Apparently, you think that in a perfect world, everyone will be employed by the government. You think that government employement is the apex of employment...and government-directed jobs are the highest calling when it comes to available jobs.

No, in a perfect world there would be a perfect balance between government and private industry. It will never happen.

Only problem is...your encomic Ponzi scheme has a tipping point. Can I say precisely when it will occur? No...but I promise you: It will occur. Unless there is drastic change--the number of "takers" will overwhelm the number of "givers" at some point. You can only fund so much before there is a collapse.

But hey...you're convinced I'm just a right-wing fringe bumpkin...what do I know? Too bad you're not right...because if I am right, tough times are coming.

If you had not noticed tough times are already here and they started under Bush! You forget, as I have said before, I was a Bush well wisher and supporter until I saw him destroying the country.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The question is what economic benefit to the economy will come from temporary part time hiring by the government for the census?

The job will get done. Those people will make purchase and pay taxes. That will help.

You said that government hiring results in new inventions, new technological advances and new uses of technology developed by government spending that in turn are used by the private sector.

Please support your position by citing the advances that will come to the private sector by the the work done by these temporary census workers.

I have already given you examples. Go back and read the replies again.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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As this thread is on its sixth (6th) page, I am closing it.